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cellioI led services again on Friday night. Overall it went very well. There were a couple of glitches (what else is new?), including one where the rabbi said "we will now chant Magen Avot" and I'd never heard it before. So I didn't lead that one, but I did a credible job of following. Ok, he has to teach me that one before next time; we've never done it while I was there before. Oops.
And while I know, intellectually, that non-professional lay people praising my voice is kind of akin to my mother thinking I'm a math wizard because I can do simple arithmetic in my head, it's still the case that these folks are permitted to stroke my ego any time they like. :-) Every time I lead services there at least one person mistakes me for a professional cantor, which is kind of cool -- though I always hasten to set the record straight.
Saturday morning the turnout for services was much higher than usual (don't know why), and a lot of people stayed for Torah study afterwards. I guess we now have an answer for those who worried about Leviticus scaring people off from the study group.
Dani had people over to play Twilight Imperium in the afternoon (I didn't play). I let myself get talked into a train game (1830) that was described as "not too long" in the evening, but it ended up taking 7 hours. The person who owns the game implied a higher degree of familiarity with the rules than was warranted; instead of him teaching us the game quickly, we all ended up sort of figuring it out together. I'd probably play the game again, but not under the same circumstances. Yawn.
And while I know, intellectually, that non-professional lay people praising my voice is kind of akin to my mother thinking I'm a math wizard because I can do simple arithmetic in my head, it's still the case that these folks are permitted to stroke my ego any time they like. :-) Every time I lead services there at least one person mistakes me for a professional cantor, which is kind of cool -- though I always hasten to set the record straight.
Saturday morning the turnout for services was much higher than usual (don't know why), and a lot of people stayed for Torah study afterwards. I guess we now have an answer for those who worried about Leviticus scaring people off from the study group.
Dani had people over to play Twilight Imperium in the afternoon (I didn't play). I let myself get talked into a train game (1830) that was described as "not too long" in the evening, but it ended up taking 7 hours. The person who owns the game implied a higher degree of familiarity with the rules than was warranted; instead of him teaching us the game quickly, we all ended up sort of figuring it out together. I'd probably play the game again, but not under the same circumstances. Yawn.
Re: Shabbat, Documentary Hypothesis, etc.
Date: 2002-01-10 07:35 pm (UTC)What's more, I can't even say that I grew up in the Conservative Movement. I didn't. I grew up in an independant shul. There weren't enough Jews in town to have both a Conservative and a Reform synegogue, so they founded something sorta inbetween, with a 1/4 time Rabbi who was ordained Reform but had C. leanings... My parents didn't come from Conservative homes either. In college I joined the Reform group on Campus. What with one thing and another, when I left college I found myself regularly going to Conservative shuls, and becoming friends with Conservative Rabbis, Rabbinical students, etc. So I feel comitted to the movement, but I didn't grow up in it. But enough about me.
You said: My understanding is that C shares the O belief that Torah was written by God and transmitted in an unbroken line.
I don't know how to answer this. I think that the C movement hasn't really articulated a clear notion of how they feel. On the one hand, JTS has had philosophers such as Heschel and Kaplan teaching Rabbinical students, neither one of which would agree with your statement. (Currently on the faculty is Rabbi Gillman, who I believe would also have a problem with that statement.) Also, modern biblical scholarship is taught there. But if torah from sinai is rejected, how can you accept halacha? I think that's something we'll cover in the Halacha for Heretics class. Is there an official statement of principles? I don't know. Nobody gave me a form to sign when I joined my C. Shul...
But, wait. Maybe there is something similar. I think I can quote a bit from the introduction to the new pentateuch from the Conservative Movement. (Etz Hayim, ISBN 0-8276-0712-1)
So it's saying essentially that while Torah is sacred, it wasn't given complete as we have it on Mount Sinai. This is a fine line that the movement is walking; note the way that the quote could be seen as saying either "Torah was given to Moses at Sinai, but of course there were some minor changes until the masoritic text was codified in the 6th/5th century" or "Torah was given in a process which started in ancient times and continued, by way of multiple authors, sources, and redactors, until it reached its final form in the 6th/5th century".
Doesn't Torah mi Sinai automatically conflict with DH?
Yep, it does, and that's why the DH has gotten so many people upset. The evidence for the DH, however, is out there: you have to try really hard to come up with alternate explanations for the evidence, and good old Occam's Razor says that if you need a really convoluted explanation to, say, reconcile Deuteronomy and Leviticus while DH gives a simple explanation, well...
(Re: Pentateuch)
Yeah, but you can spell better than I can
Well, I figure if I spell one word right, then people will think the rest is just typos. (Sorta like a towel, in that way.)
Re: Shabbat, Documentary Hypothesis, etc.
Date: 2002-01-10 08:35 pm (UTC)But if torah from sinai is rejected, how can you accept halacha?
Right. That's why when I try to explain the various movements to outsiders, I end up stressing that it's not really about observance. It's about what you believe about the Torah and Sinai. Everything else follows from that. (I did my own personal take on this in my journal a couple weeks ago.) Clearly at some level Conservative accepts Torah as truth, else the rest of the halachic system makes no sense for that movement. The devil (as they say) is in the details.
Is there an official statement of principles? I don't know. Nobody gave me a form to sign when I joined my C. Shul...
(Cynical comment about signing a check instead deleted. :-) )
You know, that's a good question. I guess I assumed that JTS or the Rabbinical Assembly had one, but now that you mention it I've never actually seen one. By the way, while browsing the USCJ web site just now looking for one (unsuccessfully), I came across this description of the ideal Conservative Jew. Enjoy. :-)
Quote from Etz Chayim: fascinating! Yes, that does leave quite a few doors open. Which I expect matches the beliefs of many of the active, influential Conservative Jews out there; I'm just a little fuzzy on how the movement goes about making decisions like these in practice. It's a delicate balancing act.
Re: Shabbat, Documentary Hypothesis, etc.
Date: 2002-01-11 10:00 am (UTC)Call me Ishmael. No, wait, that's taken... :-)
You can call me Goljerp. It's an official alias of mine.
I think I'm going to respond to the rest of your comments in a new post in my journal, because we're getting to the point where the amount of whitespace equals the amount of text on my poor little 15 inch monitor!
Re: Shabbat, Documentary Hypothesis, etc.
Date: 2002-01-11 11:10 am (UTC)