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cellioPesach is in a few weeks, and this week at services Rabbi Freedman gave his kitniyot rant (as he described it).
Kitniyot is a class of food that isn't, strictly speaking, forbidden during Passover, but the Ashkenazi world has a long tradition of banning it as a fence. This includes foods such as rice, legumes, corn, peanuts, and their derivatives. (This is, for example, why you'll be able to find special Coke in the stores in a couple weeks. Corn syrup is kitniyot, but some bottlers produce Coke with real sugar for Passover. Even if you don't keep kosher or care about kitniyot, this is a score for taste reasons.)
Rabbi Freedman believes that kitniyot has made things so complicated that less-committed Jews just throw up their hands and don't try to do kosher-for-Pesach at all. So he is encouraging people to eat kitniyot and focus the energy they save on the real issues, the 5 grains and leavening. Eat the peanut butter and don't worry about the Coke, but really clean out the bread and cakes and beer. A worthy goal; I wonder if anyone who was there will actually follow up.
My personal practice thus far has been to not stress about kitniyot but not offer it to guests (in case they keep that stringency). And I avoid "deliberate kitniyot" -- that is, corn syrup in the Coke is ok but I probably won't actually cook up a pot of rice and beans.
Kitniyot is a class of food that isn't, strictly speaking, forbidden during Passover, but the Ashkenazi world has a long tradition of banning it as a fence. This includes foods such as rice, legumes, corn, peanuts, and their derivatives. (This is, for example, why you'll be able to find special Coke in the stores in a couple weeks. Corn syrup is kitniyot, but some bottlers produce Coke with real sugar for Passover. Even if you don't keep kosher or care about kitniyot, this is a score for taste reasons.)
Rabbi Freedman believes that kitniyot has made things so complicated that less-committed Jews just throw up their hands and don't try to do kosher-for-Pesach at all. So he is encouraging people to eat kitniyot and focus the energy they save on the real issues, the 5 grains and leavening. Eat the peanut butter and don't worry about the Coke, but really clean out the bread and cakes and beer. A worthy goal; I wonder if anyone who was there will actually follow up.
My personal practice thus far has been to not stress about kitniyot but not offer it to guests (in case they keep that stringency). And I avoid "deliberate kitniyot" -- that is, corn syrup in the Coke is ok but I probably won't actually cook up a pot of rice and beans.
Re: Derivative of a fence
Date: 2002-03-11 05:10 pm (UTC)It's not so much that they're ashkenazi as that they're (as far as I can observe) interested in being as strict as possible. In this they are, unfortunately, in sync with the orthodox movement of today.
(As a convert, I am neither Ashkenazi nor Sephardi.)
Here I totally disagree with you.
You were a convert. Now you are a Jew, just like me. The fact that you converted is totally irrelevant. The factors which decide what practices you follow are the community you're living in and what your family tradition was. Also, what the family tradition of your spouse was. In the case of a convert, I would think that one would replace "family tradition of your family" with "tradition of the bet din involved in the conversion".
I strongly believe that it is wrong to differentiate between people who converted to Judiasm and those who just happened to be born to Jewish parent(s). (There's a rabbinic strand which says this too.) Of course there are differences; but I think it's not polite to say things like "since you are a convert, you didn't go to seders when you were growing up, so let me tell you X Y Z." It's much nicer to say something like "When I was growing up, I loved doing X Y Z at the seder." Ok, I'll try to stop ranting now.
cleaning for Pesach is *way* more trouble than maintaining standard kashrut the rest of the year!
Yeah, but I think my friends wouldn't want to, for example, give up shrimp and chicken parmesian all year long.
Or at least it is for me, and that's *with* the cleaning person I hire to scrub out the kitchen.
You get help scrubbing out the kitchen? How nice. :-)
Yes, though unfortunately, it has a limited shelf life
I'm not that big a fan of Coke so I didn't know about the shelf life problem... but if it does last 6 months, half a year with good coke would still be pretty good...
Re: Derivative of a fence
Date: 2002-03-11 08:26 pm (UTC)Yes, I'm just as Jewish as you are now. I have less in the way of family and community background than you do, which is part of what led me to make the distinction. But you're right that it's not a distinction that should be made very often. (And yes, I'm aware of the halacha that says one is forbidden to ask.)
So if my beit din consisted of Ashkenazi Jews, does that make me Ashkenazi? Or does it mean I should follow Ashkenazi practice? I had been assuming the latter, though I admit I'm splitting hairs.
I don't think the members of my beit din identify strongly and explicitly as one or the other. I can't even say from external features that they're of eastern-European descent, for example; I don't know where their families came from. My husband's family is Ashkenazi and he identifies most strongly as "secular Israeli", near as I can tell. My practice has been a mix of both traditions, in a way, with (AFAIK) pure Ashkenazi liturgy (but not pronunciation :-) ).
In general, I try to simply follow my rabbi's practice, or to have really studied a matter and drawn my own conclusions about what is most appropriate.
Re: Derivative of a fence
Date: 2002-03-12 06:50 am (UTC)