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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2003-03-02 11:36 pm

weekend short takes

Dani and I have been (slowly) working our way through the first season of Babylon 5 on DVD. We may have to pick up the pace; I just noticed that the second season is being released at the end of April. :-) (Of course, we don't have to watch everything immediately, and we will be distracted by West Wing around then...)

Dani moved the SCSI card to my current computer (its third host machine), so I have access to my scanner again. During the software installation I saw pop-up hype along the lines of "take advantage of the full power of Windows 95". I had forgotten that this software is that old. I'm just glad it still works; I gather that a lot of 95/98 code stopped working on 2k.

Win 2k couldn't correctly detect the SCSI drivers on the CD. I had to run the setup program from the CD myself. That was surprising.

This afternoon [livejournal.com profile] lyev came by to drop off some "Dragon" magazines (he's cleaning out his house and I expressed interest). We chatted for a while about music, dancing, gaming, and assorted other stuff. He's a neat person; I should spend more time talking with him.

The cable guy also came today to try to figure out why we have selective, sporadic, bad reception. It's a recent problem, since the digital-cable experiment, and it's particularly bad on UPN. Fortunately, I was able to demonstrate the problem to him live on one channel and via videotape on another (different problem). How do you schedule a service call for an intermittent problem? He found the culprit, a bad connector between the house and the pole, and fixed it, so with luck that'll be the end of that.

Recently I've been reading Lapsing into a Comma by Bill Walsh, a language snob with whom I apparently have a lot in common. The book is part style guide, part collection of rants, and some of his rants sound very familiar. :-) We do have some areas of disagreement -- he believes terminal punctuation must go inside close quotes, and he has a problem with "email" -- but it's an entertaining read so far. And his case against "email" (he thinks it should be "e-mail") does make a good point: no other letter-hyphen-word construct in the language has lost its hyphen ("A-frame", "t-shirt", "D-day", "C-section", etc).

[personal profile] rectangularcat 2003-03-03 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you. Terminal punctuation goes after quotes or parentheses for that matter. I am quite distressed at how too many people mangle punctuation. I am a little too much fond of ellipses though... (!)

More people need to use colons and semi-colons. I wonder how the current use of dash has come about. I don't remember learning of it in school in the manner apart from hyphenation.

I've also wondered where the hyphen in e-mail disappeared to. Also, where have the periods disappeared to in acronyms?

Isn't it fascinating to see how languages evolve!

[identity profile] zare-k.livejournal.com 2003-03-03 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
[We do have some areas of disagreement -- he believes terminal punctuation must go inside close quotes]

My English teachers pounded it in to me this way too. Then I started programming, and that made me start caring a lot more about what /exactly/ was in a quoted phrase rather than "what might have been in the phrase" plus "some sugar", so generally I put final punctuation outside the close-quotes. Unfortunately this has given me a somewhat inconsistant quoting style, when I try to integrate what I was taught to be grammatically correct versus what seems most intuitive or useful given the context.

[identity profile] reasdream.livejournal.com 2003-03-03 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
for me, it depends on the quote itself. I know that's just crazyness, but if I'm quting a source, then I want to put the punctuation inside, if the source has punctuation. Sometimes, though, if I'm putting a period inside the quotation marks and the actual source continues, I feel as though I'm lying to the reader.

But then, I'm not a programmer. I'm a historian. Well, I hope I'm still one once college is over. And punctuation goes outside the parentheses for me (otherwise the scentence just gets lonely). I guess I feel the same about periods and quotation marks. "hey". vs "hey." The period looks so lonely in the second one.

Of course, you're reading the opinions of a person who, when she was a kid (read: 8) used the chess pieces and board to create stories about peace through better understanding (pawns = royal children) rather than actually play the game. I still stink at chess. *sigh*
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[personal profile] goljerp 2003-03-04 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
dashes are primarily for "infix" clauses --

Yes, "em" dashes. Unfortunately, we have to use a hack to get em dashes by sticking two en dashes together. Wasn't Unicode supposed to fix this?
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[personal profile] goljerp 2003-03-04 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
I've also wondered where the hyphen in e-mail disappeared to. Also, where have the periods disappeared to in acronyms?

What, haven't you heard of the worldwide hypen shortages? Or the global shortage of periods? There are children in Africa who spend all days separating the dots in elipses and cutting :'s in half, but still the industrialized nations use up more than 70% of the world period supply. Soon we'll be forced to use commas for most electronic communication, as the dots in exclamation and question marks will be too valuable to squander on mere E-mail or LJ postings, The effect on smiley faces will also be severe, 8-)
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[personal profile] goljerp 2003-03-04 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
I was a pretty good player for a 7-year-old; the problem is that I'm probably stilla pretty good player for a 7-year-old...

Hey, we should play chess sometime... I'm tired of all the 9-year olds beating me... ;-)
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2003-03-04 09:38 am (UTC)(link)
On the Babylon 5 front: I don't know whether this is re-watching, or watching for the first time. If it's the latter, then you should avoid the commentary tracks like the plague. They're a lot of fun, but they're basically wall-to-wall spoilers for upcoming episodes...

[identity profile] eub.livejournal.com 2003-03-04 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Unicode numeric——
HTML numeric——
HTML named——

(You can get honest non-hyphen en dashes similarly.)

I don't remember which of these is most correct when, but FWIW they work in win32 Phoenix 0.5 and IE 6. The numerics even work in Netscape 4.08.
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[personal profile] goljerp 2003-03-04 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey — it works! Thanks! (just for completeness, all 3 seem to work in iCab 2.9.1 on OS X and Chimera Navigator 0.6 build 2002122004 (Chimera uses the mozilla rendering engine, so Netscape/Mozilla ought to work as well.))

For some reason, I thought that there wasn't anything in 'normal' html that would work; perhaps because I remember a friend of mine who is more exacting about this than I complaining. Wait 'till I tell him the good news!
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[personal profile] goljerp 2003-03-04 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I was sometimes known to correct typos with an X-acto knife.

Wasn't it easier just to correct it in pagemaker and print the page again? ;-)

[identity profile] eub.livejournal.com 2003-03-04 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently (http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/windows-chars.html) the — one is evil and wrong.