peculiar scheduling

[cellio]

Tonight my congregation is having the fourth-grade students lead services, so I am going elsewhere. So this morning I looked at service times in the paper to try to decide where.

Candle-lighting time tonight is around 8:05, meaning that sunset is around 8:25. Traditional congregations tend to have evening services around sundown because, duh, that's when it's evening. Liberal congregations tend to just set a fixed time for services year-round, regardless of what the sun is doing. (That's what mine does: services are always at 8:00.)

I've been meaning to check out Young People's (Orthodox, just down the street). They start at 6:30. Ok, what about Beth Shalom ("Conservadox")? I visited them once five years ago and haven't been back; maybe it's time to update my knowledge. 7:00. Ok, what about Poale Zedeck (Orthodox)? I haven't seen Rabbi Miller in a while and it might be nice to drop in. 7:00. This is an early week for Tree of Life, so that's no help. (They have two different fixed times, 5:45 and 8:15.) My usual standby, New Light (Conservative and just down the street) has a fixed time of 8:00, so that's probably where I'll go. (I see that the Lubavich have their service near candle-lighting time. I wonder if I have the nerve to walk in there tonight.)

But what's up with this scheduling? Sure, most of these places will be having mincha (afternoon service) and then kabbalat shabbat/ma'ariv (the evening service), but mincha doesn't take an hour and a half. How can places have kabbalat shabbat an hour before sunset? Do they just not do ma'ariv, then? Isn't that a little odd?

If I were to go to, say, Young People's at 6:30, then that would mean I would be adding almost two hours to Shabbat. (It's not like you can end early just because you started early. Nightfall is nightfall.) That strikes me as odd, but it must be what their congregants do. But why?

I guess I'll wait to visit Young People's until 6:30 and sunset are a little closer together, because otherwise I'd have to leave work early to be ready in time. I leave work early for Shabbat in the winter; I don't usually do so in the summer.

Comments

[arib.livejournal.com]

The Young Israel I attend has two minyanim on Friday nights in the summer. The first is close to candle-lighting time, the other is always at 7PM. At the 7PM minyan, they say mincha, kabbalat Shabbat and maariv, but everyone is reminded to repeat Kriyat Shema later, when it's appropriate time-wise.

Basically, they take Shabbat in a little early. This is a good idea if you have small kids who won't be willing to wait up until past 8PM for Shabbat dinner.

[dr4b]

"Conservadox" isn't quite as weird as where I was Bat Mitzvahed -- they labelled themselves as "Reconformadox". Whatever *that* is supposed to mean...

[gnomi.livejournal.com]

The Hillel at the university I went to did something similar - they davened at 6:30 (I think) on Friday night no matter what time of the year it was. In the winter, this meant that you had to fend for yourself for mincha (or go to the Hillel for mincha at whatever time was appropriate); in the spring, it meant that you had to remember to repeat sh'ma once it was the appropriate time. I once asked the rabbi why this was the policy, and he said it was twofold: First, it was easier to guarantee the existence of a minyan if you gave people a standard time they could schedule around. Second, since the Hillel also housed the kosher dining facility, it was easier on the kitchen staff to have one set dinner time on Friday nights. So "we eat after davening" could be translated to, approximately, "have the food ready for 7:30" or whatever.

[mamadeb.livejournal.com]

Early services in the summer is not uncommon. Our synagogue has mincha (O services on Fridays tend to start with mincha and have some sort of discussion before going into Kabbalat Shabbat) at 7PM. For that reason, Jonathan goes to a different synagogue on Friday nights in the summer. :)

It is permissible to say ma'ariv up to about 1.5 hours before actual nightfall, although, as gnomi says, you have to remember to say shma'a after dark - this is covered pretty extensibly in Tractate Brachot. And it's most useful for families who don't want to wait until, say, 9:30, to serve Shabbat dinner or for people who don't want to stay up that late.

[cellio]

"Reconformadox". Whatever *that* is supposed to mean...

That sounds like either someone trying to be cute or someone who just does not get it. If what they mean is "we'll do pretty much anything; tell us what you want", then that's not any particular movement or combination. <geek>Their term implies "and", not "or".</geek>

[cellio]

It is permissible to say ma'ariv up to about 1.5 hours before actual nightfall,

I didn't realize that. At some level ma'ariv is different from the others anyway, in that it doesn't correspond to a Temple service. So I was actually starting to go down the "ma'ariv is kind of optional" path. I realize that's different from what you're saying here.

this is covered pretty extensibly in Tractate Brachot

I'm actually learning that tractate with my rabbi, but we're still in the "when to say the Sh'ma" part and haven't gotten to the more general service requirements yet. Thanks for the preview!