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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2003-11-13 06:30 pm

learning experience

A post in a community for Jewish converts (and converts in training) raised this question: the poster has a disabled sibling and has in the past been the person who accompanies said sibling to church on Christmas. (The rest of the family is in the choir.) Is this behavior permitted, required, or forbidden of a Jew?

Much of the feedback so far weighs in on the side of "required -- family is family". Someone cited honoring one's parents (the source of the request), and a couple people mentioned protecting a life (the sibling is apparently in real danger of injury without someone there).

I, on the other hand, am leaning toward "forbidden", though "permitted" is a possibility. Definitely not "required", though.

The issue is complex. While the sibling needs a caregiver, that's a service that can be hired -- so there's no apparent need for the poster to do it personally. Of course it's important to honor one's parents (this comes up a lot in text), but the talmud also teaches that if a parent asks you to transgress the Torah, you must decline (Bava Metzia 32a). This raises the question of whether attending another religion's worship service -- on its second-holiest day, to boot -- is avodah zara, forbidden worship. Is it enough if you don't intend to worship? What if you don't participate? What if you don't listen? That is a complex question with varied answers depending on circumstances, ranging from exactly what will take place to the strength of your own Jewish education and commitment, and you really need to ask your rabbi for a personal ruling.

I think the experience of facing this issue is valuable for the conversion candidate, actually. As a member of a minority religion (that sometimes faces hostility from others), sometimes you are going to have to make choices between your religion and your family/friends/society -- things like this, or resolving Shabbat issues with your employer, or various other matters. Finding out how you will handle those choices before it's "too late" -- before you convert and acquire new obligations -- seems useful to me.

I assume that most conversion candidates face some sort of religion-vs-world-at-large test during the process, but I don't actually know.

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2003-11-14 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
In my own utterly non-traditionalist way, I'd say "permitted"

If you're not taking PART in the service, I don't see any harm in it. I was just at the christening of a friend's child. I sat respectfully, didn't sing along with them (although that was REALLY tempting), and was there for my friends.

But I also think an awful lot of the restrictions we place on ourselves are silly.

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2003-11-15 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
Hm. I've not found that to be a problem for me; when I'm at a Christian service of any sort, I simply don't take part. You're also significantly more religious than I am which might play some part; I keep kosher but will eat vegetables and fish such out; I'm not and never have been shomer shabbes.

I gather, reading through this entry, that you weren't raised Jewish (I'm pretty sure you've been so the times that I've met you), and I wonder if that might not play an additional role as well? (Just talking off the top of my head here).