the language meme
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cellioWhat do you call...
1. A body of water, smaller than a river, contained within relatively narrow banks?
Stream. Maybe a creek (not "crick"). A creek is smaller than a stream; an average person should be able to jump across a creek.
2. The thing you push around the grocery store?
Shopping cart.
3. A metal container to carry a meal in?
Huh? Consensus seems to be that we're talking about lunch boxes, but they're plastic these days and I think were when I was a kid, and anyway, I carry my lunch in a decidedly non-metal bag. :-)
4. The thing that you cook bacon and eggs in?
(No bacon here!) Frying pan or skillet; the words are interchangable.
5. The piece of furniture that seats three people?
Couch. I'll accept sofa as synonymous, but it's not the word I use.
6. The device on the outside of the house that carries rain off the roof?
Gutters (horizontal) and downspouts (vertical).
7. The covered area outside a house where people sit in the evening?
Porch.
8. Carbonated, sweetened, non-alcoholic beverages?
Pop. "Soda" is a concoction involving pop and ice cream.
9. A flat, round breakfast food served with syrup?
Pancake. For the Aussies: we have several kinds of syrup, maple and various fruit-based ones being the most common. If you go to a pancake house you may well encounter all of: maple, blueberry, raspberry, boysenberry, apricot, and several more. What is "golden syrup"?
10. A long sandwich designed to be a whole meal in itself?
I suppose they're talking about hoagies here (known by some as subs). While I grew up with only the word "hoagie" to describe this kind of sandwich, my first job was at Rudy's House of Submarines. Go figure.
11. The piece of clothing worn by men at the beach?
Assuming the men are headed for the water... swimsuits. Same word as for women; I don't distinguish.
12. Shoes worn for sports?
Tennis shoes. We didn't have different shoes for different sports when I was a kid; they were all tennis shoes.
13. Putting a room in order?
Cleaning up, which is different from cleaning (the latter involves the removal of dust, cat hair, etc). The phrase "redd up" is native to Pittsburgh, but I have never uttered those words except in conversations like this one.
14. A flying insect that glows in the dark?
Firefly.
15. The little insect that curls up into a ball?
This description means nothing to me. Several of my friends
describe it as a "roly poly", which is also meaningless to me.
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ksnell tried to further clarify for me, but lo,
I am a clueless city kid, even though I grew up in the
suburbs.
16. The children's playground equipment where one kid sits on one side and goes up while the other sits on the other side and goes down?
See-saw.
17. How do you eat your pizza?
(Hey, that's not a language question!)
Pick up slice with left hand, eat starting from point, frequently discard bones (the remnant of crust that contains no sauce or toppings and that is usually overcooked to my taste). If the slice is too droopy to be held this way, I'll use a fork in my right hand to help support the piece. Failing that, I'll flip the point over onto the rest of the piece and pick it up. Failing all that, it's time to get out the knife and fork.
18. What's it called when private citizens put up signs and sell their used stuff?
Garage sale. Also yard sale.
19. What's the evening meal?
Dinner. The canonical meals are breakfast, lunch, and dinner, not breakfast, dinner, and supper. This is true even if the large meal that day is lunch.
20. The thing under a house where the furnace and perhaps a rec room are?
Basement. I grew up knowing this as the cellar (the term my parents use); I have no idea when I switched to basement.
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Date: 2003-12-04 08:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-12-04 09:16 pm (UTC)If it's the stuff they have in England, it's the same as treacle. It is like golden colored molasses. Basically, very thick liquid sugar. We used to eat treacle baked into a cake-like thing that is sort of like sponge cake. Really, really sweet. Yum!
golden syrup
Date: 2003-12-04 09:48 pm (UTC)I've seen treacle for sale here, and golden syrup. Could be different brands I guess, or maybe the treacle is an import. I am under the impression that treacle is darker and much heavier than golden syrup, hence the different name.
Now if you'll excuse me, I am off to make crepes...
lemon and golden syrup...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
bakedinto sponge sounds nice too...do you by any chance have a recipe?
Re: golden syrup
Date: 2003-12-04 09:52 pm (UTC)I will ask my mom if she has a recipe. Seems like we used to call it treacle pudding and make it with golden syrup.
Language
Date: 2003-12-04 09:39 pm (UTC)I'm 47 (48 in two weeks), I grew up in Greensboro, NC., with a Georgia cracker father and a New Jersey Socialite mother. I moved to Boston at 19 and Michigan in 1979 and in California in 1994....
My Q&A are in this color, in case someone wants to cut and paste theirs in.
1. A body of water, smaller than a river, contained within relatively narrow banks?
If easily stepped over, a creek; if wide enough you have to jump over and a relatively fast flow, a stream; if in a sharply-angled culvert at the front of your yard, a ditch.
2. The thing you push around the grocery store?
a cart. or, a grocery cart.
3. A metal container to carry a meal in?
A lunch box.
4. The thing that you cook bacon and eggs in?
frying pan. Skillets are electric or cast iron. And you use a spatula or a fork to turn them over, as opposed to a rubber scraper, which one uses to get the last bit of batter off the side of a bowl.
5. The piece of furniture that seats three people?
Couch. Sofas are bigger and have upholstery that you can get dirty so you don't sit on them.
6. The device on the outside of the house that carries rain off the roof?
Gutters (run alongside the roof) and rainspouts (vertical)
7. The covered area outside a house where people sit in the evening?
Porch. The stoop is where the uncovered steps are.
8. Carbonated, sweetened, non-alcoholic beverages?>/b>
a Coke, as in "You guys want some coke? We have Reg'lar, Dite, ornge, Doctuh Peppuh, Sevm-up, and maybe even some Pepsi in the fridge."
Pop is what my daughter drinks (born in Michigan, moved to California at 16), and soda is what my son drinks (born in michigan, but moved to California when he was 4).
9. A flat, round breakfast food served with syrup?
pancakes with maple syrup. My dad ate flapjacks, however, and wanted "golden syrup", which is dark Karo or other corn syrup (Blech).
10. A long sandwich designed to be a whole meal in itself?
A Sub sandwich, altho in Michigan they called them "Jersey Subs." These are sandwiches sort of like Dagwoods only on a long bun instead of square slices of regular bread.
Language, part 2
Date: 2003-12-04 09:40 pm (UTC)11. The piece of clothing worn by men at the beach?
Trunks. or Speedos.
12. Shoes worn for sports?
Sneakers. Or Track Shoes. Or Cleats, depending on what kind of sport one is engaged in. Or, I suppose, Tennis Shoes if one is planning on playing tennis. (The society girls in my Jr. High locker room wore "tennies.") Yuck.
13. Putting a room in order?
A quick job done when someone calls to tell you they'll be there in ten minutes: "A lick and a polish." A more thorough job is "Tidying;" A full-fledge effort is "Cleaning up." You "sweep up" something that has broken or spilled.
14. A flying insect that glows in the dark?
Light'nin bug.
15. The little insect that curls up into a ball?
Pill Bugs. Or, if you're my aunts and uncles from Georgia, and "Armadil-lah Bug". They look like this Curled and this rolled up, Ms. C.
16. The children's playground equipment where one kid sits on one side and goes up while the other sits on the other side and goes down?
teeter-totter.
17. How do you eat your pizza?
Hot, and then cold.(puzzled) If sliced narrow enough, holding at the back and stuffed into my mouth; if need be, folded over.
18. What's it called when private citizens put up signs and sell their used stuff?
Yard sale.
19. What's the evening meal?
supper, if you're my dad, or Dinner, if you're my mom or my grandmother or either of my two ex-husbands. Except on Sundays, Easter, Christmas, or Thanksgiving, when Dinner is after Church (1 or 2 pm) and supper is when Walter Cronkite is on doing the "21st Century" just before "Time Tunnel" comes on.
20. The thing under a house where the furnace and perhaps a rec room are?
Basement. Cellars are where wine, apples, and other root veggies are kept, or have dirt floors. Except at my house now, where I have an undercroft which is half finished and half not. ;-)
bugs
Date: 2003-12-05 07:16 am (UTC)Y'know, I don't actually know a name for those. How odd.
Bolder..
Date: 2003-12-04 09:41 pm (UTC)Re: Language
Date: 2003-12-05 07:22 am (UTC)Another maybe-regional difference: I use fingers for the latter application. On the very last pass around the bowl, you get to lick the finger instead of adding it to the pan (or whatever).
The stoop is where the uncovered steps are.
In my lexicon, an entrance has a porch or a stoop (or nothing, but that's rare), but never both. That is, concrete steps leading up to a porch aren't a stoop, but concrete steps with up to a square yard or so of flat space at the top are a stoop. Stoops were for poor people, you understand, and some people put little roofs over that little landing spot just so they could call it a porch instead.
Licking the bowl
Yes, we poor people had stoops. That's why my dad added a porch, so we wouldn't look quite so much like the white trash we really were. ;-)
Re: Licking the bowl
Date: 2003-12-05 07:52 am (UTC)Stoops: now that I think about it, I heard the "poor people" thing from the neighbors, never from my parents. (We had a front porch, a side stoop, and a back patio, by the way.)
Batter Beaters....
Date: 2003-12-05 07:56 am (UTC)There were 4 of us; two of us got a beater each, and mom drew a line down the bowl and the other two of us shared it.
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Date: 2003-12-05 06:03 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-12-05 07:21 am (UTC)Hmm. I have these reversed--that is, a river is something that you can't wade across, a creek is wider than 4' but crossable under one's own power and usually not steeply sloped, and a stream is smaller than that--anything running at the bottom of a ditch is probably a stream. The next smaller size is "streamlet", but that doesn't come up often.
This may be an effect of the region I grew up in (Guilderland, NY). All the local small waterflows were called either "____ Creek" or "____kill" or, for increased redundancy, "____kill Creek". ("-kill" is apparently the Dutch suffix for creek).
...actually, now that I think about it, I almost never use the word "creek" except in reference to waterflows around where I grew up--encountering one somewhere else, I might say "large stream". Or maybe not. Obviously, experimentation is required.
As for pronunciation, the waterflows are usually "creek", but if you've put yourself into a difficult situation, then you're "up a crick".
Words, words
Date: 2003-12-05 07:59 am (UTC)Usually without a paddle.
Or, one is "up %$(* creek without a paddle." Depends on the depth of difficulty one is in ;-)
Re: Words, words
Date: 2003-12-05 09:26 am (UTC)(college was fun)
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Date: 2003-12-05 09:15 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-12-06 01:58 pm (UTC)Pop. "Soda" is a concoction involving pop and ice cream.
Fascinating -- I haven't come across this particular construction of "soda" on its own before. I mean, we have the concept, but it's always specifically an "ice cream soda".
"Soda" vs. "pop" has always been my favorite way of distinguishing East Coasters from inlanders. One of those distinctively memorable Pennsic moments was going shopping at the then-King Valoo, and coming across an entire wall of "Generic Red Pop". Kind of scary, really -- like a moment out of "Repo Man"...
I suppose they're talking about hoagies here (known by some as subs).
Yes -- this was a difference that I had to learn when I moved north from my native New Jersey (hoagies) to Boston (subs).
Of course, the biggest difference was in what they call Potstickers -- they're usually Pan-Fried Dumplings in New Jersey (or were when I was growing up), and they're frequently Peking Ravioli in Boston. Far as I know, we're the only place in the world that uses that peculiar term, a strange regionalism that seems to be slowly dying out...
17. How do you eat your pizza?
Having grown up with Greasy, Floppy New Jersey Pizza (mmm, grease), I usually pick the slice up with my right hand, and fold it in half lengthwise, with my index finger in the fold and the other fingers holding it up from the outside. Then lift to the mouth quickly, to try to get the tip into your mouth before the cheese all slides off. Not efficient, but an enjoyable form of consumption.
I tend to save a piece or two of pepperoni to go with the bones, if it's good enough pizza to make the bones worthwhile. The mark of really good pizza is that the bones are worth eating -- crisp and flavorful bread, not just dry cardboard...
Yum, and regionalisms
The first time I heard someone order Ravioli in a Chinese restaurant (it was Geoffrey Matthias, when we were all up for Cynthia's Laureling) I thought I was going nuts. Even tho I lived in Boston for (wow!) almost 7 years, I had never encountered that before. So I think it must be a Boston/Cambridge/MIT-ism and never made it as far as Needham-Newton or Framingham-Natick, which is where I lived.
Speaking of which, I will be in the Boston area next weekend for my college's 150th Anniversary, and staying with Cynthia & collection. The schedule is looking bizarre, but we could at least consult calendars if desired?
Re: Yum, and regionalisms
Date: 2003-12-06 07:54 pm (UTC)Now waitasec -- okay, fine. I honestly hadn't realized that I knew you until just now. One of the oddities of LJ is figuring out what names are associated with what account names. Hi!
Anyway...
The schedule is looking bizarre, but we could at least consult calendars if desired?
Definitely possible. We've actually got a Cute Little Event on Saturday evening -- my apprentice is running a Winter Ball. Nothing fancy (it isn't even in Pikestaff), but it should be a pleasant evening of dance if you find yourself free by some chance...
Re: Yum, and regionalisms
Date: 2003-12-06 08:03 pm (UTC)two people use a third journal to coordinate social events. :-)
(I do not mind in the least; I just find it amusing.)
I hope you guys manage to hook up! Sorry I can't join you.
The cult, the cult...
Date: 2003-12-06 10:37 pm (UTC)JdC said:Definitely possible. We've actually got a Cute Little Event on Saturday evening -- my apprentice is running a Winter Ball. Nothing fancy (it isn't even in Pikestaff), but it should be a pleasant evening of dance if you find yourself free by some chance...
Well, my college, Framingham State, is having their 150th Anniversary this year, and they're throwing a Cute Little Event Saturday evening as well -- a formal, "Gala Dinner and Ball" to which I am wearing a sequined evening gown, irridescent bead collar, and a velvet swing evening wrap. So, if you tell me where you might be post-event, and if you're likely to be going on later than the 10 or 11 it will be before I get done there, and you don't mind if a strange lady in modern evening wear shows up, I can do my best. I'll send you my cell phone number, so we can actually discuss this once I'm on the ground at Cynthia's.
Monday morning is my currently most free time, as I want to spend as much time on Sunday with Cynthia as possible, especially (one hopes) while her kids aren't throwing up on everyone in sight, as happened when they visited us out here in The West this fall. I'm officiating at an OTO Mass on Sunday night (Giggle! In the "Witch Church" in Salem!!!!) and have to be there by 6 PM to have another run-through, set up the ceremonial stuff, etc. It's my priest's first Mass and I want to be sure everything goes well for him.
Which reminds me, I want to put a note on my own journal so I can ask a question about carrying a sword on an airplane....
Basement v. Cellar
Date: 2003-12-08 08:28 am (UTC)