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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2003-12-10 10:05 am
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words have meaning (SCA)

About a year ago the SCA corporation started imposing a $3/person/event fee for people who are not members of the corporation. (Events are produced by local groups at their own expense and are generally designed to roughly break even.) The corporation calls this $3 fee a "non-member surcharge", and some people have argued that that's not sufficiently positive and want to call it a "member discount" instead. I sent the following to the kingdom mailing list, but I wanted to record it here too. The argument comes around frequently; I think I'll probably need these words again in the future. :-)


The $3 fee is not a discount. Technically, it's not really a surcharge either. Discounts and surcharges are price adjustments offered by the entity setting the price. Most events offer discounts for children, and some set surcharges for late reservations. The salient point, though, is that the person or group whose bottom line is affected sets these adjustments and deals with the consequences. (To those who would say "but AAA gives me discounts at hotels!", I say: no, those hotels agreed to grant those discounts to people associated with AAA. AAA does not have the ability to impose a discount on an unwilling hotel.)

A fee assessed by an outside entity is a tax. Taxes are usually set by governments, of course, but in this case it is set by the corporation. Either way, the taxing authority has no direct involvement in the activity being taxed. It's a fee paid in exchange for permission to do business.

This is not just a point of pedantry. Words have meaning, and if you use an inappropriate word you change people's perceptions of the thing being described. It is misleading to call this fee a "discount", in my opinion, and the corporation was right to avoid that usage. It's unfortunate, but not too surprising, that they didn't acknowledge it as a tax.

I know he's in Israel...

[identity profile] patsmor.livejournal.com 2003-12-10 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Zach is in Israel. Popping over to help out from the shire next door involves a plane ticket. :-)

Which is why having officers of their own tends to be important. We worked hard for getting shire-hood for a group in Soo Ste. Marie (sp?) because their events kept falling apart when officers from groups would bug out on them.

I'm actually not as concerned about the insurance.

Membership

[identity profile] patsmor.livejournal.com 2003-12-10 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
I see -- if you don't care about official events, then having fun is the best way to go. And I agree totally.

Fun

[identity profile] patsmor.livejournal.com 2003-12-10 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
At one point, the Board had appointed a Chatelaine who's job was make it easier on new groups and sort of "shepherd" them along. I don't know if that position is still around. Sigh.

Re: Membership

[identity profile] zachkessin.livejournal.com 2003-12-10 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Well they should think about new groups and how to make it easier for them and so on. It should be noted that we have had one event so far and are planning 2-3 more. So we are doing stuff.