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(Because someone asked:)

According to the talmud (B'rachot 7a), God prays. The qeustion of "to whom?" does not appear to be addressed (at least here). As for "what", the gemara says that God prays for mercy over judgement: "May it be My will that My mercy conquer My anger, and that My mercy overcome My [sterner] attributes, and that I behave toward My children with the attribute of mercy, and that for their sake I go beyond the boundary of judgement".

(In a baraita [1], God is said to have also asked a certain rabbi for a blessing.)

Because God is omnipotent, clearly he can apply mercy over judgement at will. So I guess he's explicitly asking himself to will it? (I know we're going to discuss this more when we next meet in two weeks.)

[1] A baraita is a teaching contemporary with the mishna that was not written down as part of the mishna.

for what it's worth

Date: 2004-01-06 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mishtaneh.livejournal.com
Everyman's Talmud states that He prays to Himself (p. 7 and 18 in my copy; it's even in the index under "Prayer --- offered by God". (The second mention includes the specific prayer... and is followed by the rabbi's blessing you mentioned.)

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Date: 2004-01-06 10:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miz-hatbox.livejournal.com
Perhaps the point is that even for God, mercy is specifically an act of will, and that He has to remind himself of that fact. Or perhaps He chooses to do so, lest He forget the consequences of losing His temper (the story of the flood springs to mind).

Speculation (goody, more research threads!)

Date: 2004-01-07 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tangerinpenguin.livejournal.com
There's a bit of litany in the Methodist church (which a quick google check superficially suggests is a holdover from the Anglican/Episcopal church) where the specific language is "[...] God, whose property is always to have mercy [...]" (For those who are curious, it's in the context of throwing ourselves upon said mercy.)

I'm not sure what the provenance of this language is (the wording always struck me as odd because, with contemporary use, it sounds like you're describing a chemical) but this may have been an intentional counter to whatever school of thought inspired it, arguing that (as [livejournal.com profile] onthechin observes), mercy is a very intentional choice.

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Date: 2004-01-07 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zare-k.livejournal.com
This isn't something I've encountered before. Does this imply a fallible aspect to God? It seems like they are arguing with theirself about trying not to let a baser instinct win out... but if God prefers a certain balance between mercy and judgement, wouldn't they behave in that way all the time? Does God have regrets?

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Date: 2004-01-07 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] splodgenoodles.livejournal.com
This is new information for me, and very very interesting.
(Although sadly I have nothing particularly intelligent to add)


Please do keep writing about these discussions!

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