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Guess-the-anonymous-poster update: One outstanding guess (paging [livejournal.com profile] aliza250), one where I had to be told ([livejournal.com profile] eclectic_1), all others identified. That was fun.

The stereotype is that smart people (including anyone whose job title implies serious analytical skills) don't get picked for juries, but I'm beginning to wonder. I've been called three times and picked twice, and our engineering director is currently away from work because he's on a jury. Do they just sometimes miss in the screening, or are the lawyers not really screening for this sort of thing after all?

A Texas judge has ordered that a person convicted of animal cruetly must post pictures of the animals she starved in her jail cell. Good for the judge! This is similar to the local story some months back of the hit-and-run driver who is required to carry a photo of the person he killed in his wallet during his probation. Such orders do no harm (it's hardly "cruel and unusual") and serve to put a human (or animal, in the one case) face on the damage done by these people. More, please. (And remember, we're talking about people convicted of criminal charges; I am not advocating haunting those who accidentally cause harm and don't try to hide it with such sentences.)

Do spammers really think that people still open messages with the subject line "URGENT"? Or that most of us think we even might know a sender named Brittany? Ah well; it doesn't fool the filters.

At my most recent physical my doctor called for a routine test that kicks in for women at age 40. (Am I being sufficiently delicate?) No surprises there; the surprise came when I called to schedule and the person said "oh, and no caffeine for two days before". After I moved from incoherent blubbering to actual words, I explained that this posed a difficulty and she relented. It turned out to be advice, not medical necessity. Don't scare me like that!

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Date: 2004-06-11 07:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caryabend.livejournal.com
Ooh! Ooh! Should I go with "College Dropout?"

That sounds a whole lot better than "Some College, but then worked at a University for 8 years," "Works with Large Network Infrastructures," "Computer Systems Analyst," or my favorite: "Turned down MENSA"

Idiots. If I (gosh that HTML was fun) were a lawyer, I'd want the smartest damned people I could find. Prosecuting lawyers should be concerned with presenting fair facts that would lead to a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, and Defense lawyers should be concerned with fair trials and poking legitimate holes in the Prosecutor's theories. Too often it's "Nail 'Em," or "Set them free." It's no wonder that people give lawyers a bad rep.

Re: smart jurors

Date: 2004-06-13 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagonell.livejournal.com
No, you're making the assumption that you're innocent and falsely arrested. In THAT case, you want intelligent jurors who are capable of realizing that the facts don't add up. :) If you were actually guilty, you'd want jurors that can be emotionally swayed to let you off.

Re: smart jurors

Date: 2004-06-13 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caryabend.livejournal.com
Yes, but as a citizen, I would want to know that my justice system is actually, well, JUST and would convict lawbreakers. This is one of the areas where I believe that the good of the many totally obliterates and invalidates the feelings of the selfish. I reiterate my point about wanting Defense Lawyers to make sure that the defendant gets a fair trial, because all lawyers (and other people!) should want that.

Now, If I were guilty, I'd want my lawyer to convince the jury that the law was bad. That way it eventually goes to the Supreme Court and gets removed, and I become a citizen's hero, if only fleetingly to those who read SCOTUS proceedings. :)

Having made that ad absurdio argument, I need an appropriate way to express that not being allowed to add chlorine the gene pool violates the the First Amendment. :) :)

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Date: 2004-06-13 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagonell.livejournal.com
Turned down MENSA? Why? If you didn't want it, why did you even take the test?

Re: Tests? We don't need no steenking tests!

Date: 2004-06-13 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caryabend.livejournal.com
A long time ago, MENSA used the SAT as an entrance criteria. They've since stopped when, in the late 80s or early 90s, ETS changed the test.

ETS claimed that the changes made the test more fair to some certain subgroups of test-takers. They make the same claims with this most recent round of changes.

If this were so, why would MENSA have dropped it as an eligibility criteria?

Now, honestly, I find it hard to claim how good one's brains are based on one taking of one kind test. I'd much prefer seeing a person's performance on that test, or, preferably, on several different types of test, over many takings at many times. That would eliminate the statistical fluke and establish a broadly-based pattern of intelligence.

But since I last looked at the criteria, I guess that MENSA hasn't been smart (or wise, which could conceivably be called different) enough for that. :)

THAT'S why I didn't join. Their criteria are (were) too broad, and for an elitist group who prides themselves on brains, it was dumb. Besides, enough of the MENSAns I've met seem to be either really socially inept/awkward or just plain unlikeable. I just didn't like the crowd.

Funny Note: LJ's spell check flagged MENSAns and provides these as alternatives (not the full list): Manson's, Menses, Mesons, Monsoons, Minoans, Kansans, Mundanes, Ensigns, Mensch's, Mansards(!), Mansions, Meniscus, Mensches, Minivans

Further note: Failure to use a spell check (when available) may be grounds for DISqualification from MENSA, and may even fall to the level of gene pool chlorination (see previous replies).

Re: Tests? We don't need no steenking tests!

Date: 2004-06-13 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caryabend.livejournal.com
I was put in the "gifted" program after IQ testing, But I don't remember if that was in 2nd, 3rd or 4th grade. I do remember entering something called the "IEP Program" that began around the same time, but I can't recall exactly when, or what it stands for.

Thankfully, I wasn't ostracized (much). The funky demographics of my suburban Philly town generated a number of bright kids. I used to think it was the water because it seemed so normal to me that so many kids were "gifted" or in Honors or AP classes.

I didn't realize how sheltered my life was before I went to college and learned how unusual my town really was. Over 80% of those over 25 had an undergraduate degree, and over 50% had a masters or other post-undergrad degree, and a whopping 30% had an MD, JD, or PhD!

This makes some serious differences in a town of 15,000 or so (when I graduated) with only one school for each grade grouping (K-2, 3-4, 5-8, 9-12 when I started and K-3, 4-8, 9-12 now). Since so many people had advanced degrees, they generally had well-paying jobs. This translates into a higher tax base and, because, they could afford more expensive houses, more property tax revenue. This, in turn, translates directly into better funded schools. Good schools and expensive houses gain the attention of other people with lots of education and bigger paychecks, and tends to cause attrition among those who have trouble paying the taxes, so the cycle continues until some other factor gets large enough to intervene.

Side Note: To find the current school info, I went to the School District's Website and poked around. I found that the K-3 chess team(!) is this year's State Champion! (Go Little Lions! :)) Even though there have been some big changes since I graduated, some things appear to still be the same.

Re: Tests? We don't need no steenking tests!

Date: 2004-06-14 07:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goljerp
I seem to recall qualifying for MENSA on several grounds, and deciding that any group that thought I was qualified was probably not one I'd want to be part of :-) (But really, the LSAT and the GREs that I took were very similar to one another, to the point that there was one question that was the same on both tests (I took GRE on Sunday and LSAT on the next day))

Re: Tests? We don't need no steenking tests!

Date: 2004-06-14 10:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] goljerp
I seem to recall qualifying for MENSA on several grounds, and deciding that any group that thought I was qualified was probably not one I'd want to be part of :-) (But really, the LSAT and the GREs that I took were very similar to one another, to the point that there was one question that was the same on both tests (I took GRE on Sunday and LSAT on the next day))

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