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At the oneg I received a rather effusive compliment on my torah reading on Rosh Hashana. I'm impressed that this long after the event someone sought me out to praise me. Nifty.

During the service I realized why I have a reaction that I do to one small bit. Our service leaders almost always face the congregation. There are points in the service where one is supposed to bow toward the ark (which is at the back of the bimah); the norm is for the leader to turn around at that point and do so. Someone on our bimah (not my rabbi) sometimes does the bow but doesn't turn around (so bows toward the congregation). This bugs me. I understand why it was happening (the reasons no longer apply but the pattern persists), but it still bugs me.

Last year after the Sh'liach K'hilah program there was a discussion in comments in my journal about which way the chazan faces, though not this particular detail. The article I'd read (that started the discussion) asserted that when the chazan faces the ark (to lead much of the service, not just these bowing bits) it facilitates more private prayer than when he's facing the congregation. That may be true, but it's just part of it.

When the chazan stands in the front of the room, faces the ark, and bows, he is leading us in prayer. He is our representative, our sh'liach tzibur, almost our stand-in, before God. Whose representative is he when he bows toward us?

I had this epiphany Friday night. It is as if the person bowing toward the congregation is representing God in the transaction. And that's just wrong. We do not presume God's participation and response in our prayers.

I don't mind the chazan conducting most of the service facing us; I understand how seeing a back for the entire service could be alienating to some. But there are parts where I'd rather the person turn around and be our representative.

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrpeck.livejournal.com
Wow, it's interesting to hear your thoughts on this. There are similar liturgical lines of thought to consider when one talks about which way the priest should face during the consecration. In my one class on liturgy we are reading Pope Benedict's The Spirit of the Liturgy and he also speaks a lot about liturgical structure in the Temple and in the synagogue (which he then moves into how those structures lead to practices in Catholic churches). There is such a richness to liturgy. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I barely grasp it.

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Date: 2005-11-14 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patsmor.livejournal.com
I personally think that the "richness" in liturgy is somewhat like those infamous layers on onions -- as one comes to enough understanding to peel of another layer, one begins to see that underneath is another layer, to be studied and felt and analyzed. I also think that rather than having nothing when one has peeled back all the layers, one has a more complete sense of understanding, and a glow of realization (and incarnation, if one is of the belief that a bolt of the lightning of intelligence and insight flashing down the tree strikes the container and the contained and Poof! the magic of incarnation is accomplished).

And then, of course, the universe opens up and we see that we have more layers yet to our understanding. ;-)

Oops, sorry, that was my "philosophy of life and understanding" soap box. I'll put it back under the desk now...

Is this book the current Pope Benedict's work, or an/the earlier one?

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Date: 2005-11-14 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrpeck.livejournal.com
I think you have a good point about there being many layers in liturgy. It's the current Pope's work. He wrote it a few years ago.

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Date: 2005-11-14 03:05 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2005-11-14 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patsmor.livejournal.com
You opened (but didn't spark) one of my favorite pet peeves-- Celebrants in a religious service who haven't a clue what's going on beyond what's in the lines of the script (or the "what do we do next and and Oh? is it supposed to represent something?" folks).

Not only do they need a cluex4, but as part of the liturgy is to create a communal energy (otherwise, why are we there as a community/congregation?) to use in some way (praise upward, communion, sending the dead off with comfort for us and them, invocation of the Holy, blessing of a child, or whatever) I find that their leadership leaves the participates unfocused, each with their own little celebration/ritual going on, which defeats the purpose of coming together altogether. No communal energy, no communion.

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Date: 2005-11-14 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrpeck.livejournal.com
I guess it's the layers thing that was mentioned above. If someone only looks at the surface, it might appear to not matter. However if one looks at deeper meanings, stuff like that matters a lot.

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Date: 2005-11-14 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-zrfq.livejournal.com
This assumes that the conceit has been established. If your church/sect/congregation has done so, then I can well understand how introduciong the ambiguity would make one twitch.

I wonder how twitchy some folks get at a particular new church I've been to. My old parish in Williamsburg (St Bede's R.C.) built a new church a little while ago, and this spring I actually went to Mass there with my dad. The pews at the new church are arranged in a FULL CIRCLE around the altar at the center! (I suppose that in this situation it doesn't matter which way the celebrant faces...)

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Date: 2005-11-14 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com
One difference here is just layout--when the priest turned around he also went to the far side of the altar, so everyone's still facing the right way in respect to the main physical focus at the time.

If you shuffled the ark to the side of the bimah and angled the chazan toward it you could probably get a similar effect, but I'm not sure how amenable people would be to that.

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Date: 2005-11-14 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrpeck.livejournal.com
I think that you'd get a bunch of argument on the main physical focus thing. That very confusion is probably an indication of why the details of liturgy can be so important.

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Date: 2005-11-14 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com
Probably. "Toward the altar" wasn't my first choice either for where the focus was, but "up", which is where the prayers go toward, doesn't seem a useful direction for the purposes of furniture layout.

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