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A friend asked (in a locked post, so I won't link) why I follow Jewish law. What do I get out of it? I want to record my answer here.

I follow the law because it improves my relationship with God and because it elevates mundane tasks.

Consider eating. Animals eat. Humans need to eat, but we have minds and souls and we don't have to be like animals. The simple act of saying a blessing before ("getting permission") and giving thanks afterwards ("grace") elevates the otherwise-coarse act of eating to a holier status. Now consider actually choosing to restrict what I eat (and how I eat it) because I understand that this is what God asks of us. It's such a simple thing to skip the shellfish and, in return, God might reach out a little to me just as I reach out to God. That's a win!

When I was in the process of becoming more religious (that is, moving from being an apatheist to actually paying attention to God), I found that if I sincerely tried, even with baby steps, I saw positive results. Psychologists might well say that that's because I caused those changes through a more positive outlook; if so, so what? Does that matter if God -- or my God-concept -- was the underlying force? We're supposed to take an active role; if by praying to God I get no direct effect from God, but the act itself causes me to improve my own behavior, isn't that still a win? Well, it's not just prayer that can produce that effect. Keeping Shabbat, eating properly, striving to repair the world, studying torah... it's all bundled up in there.

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Date: 2005-11-20 01:53 pm (UTC)
madfilkentist: (WWBRD)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
This is dangerous ground to enter, and I'm choosing my words to make my strong disagreement clear while being respectful of you as a person.

The difficulty is that one accepts religious authority as a standard for one's life, nothing guarantees that the demands of the authority will be only "simple things." The act of accepting someone's authority that God wants certain things is itself not a simple thing; it means that the judgment of another stands above your own judgment of what is right.

For instance, as you put it, the act of saying a blessing before eating implies that one must have permission from authority even to eat. This permission may have conditions on it. The conditions may be actions which you would otherwise know were wrong. The choice is then to defy the authority or to close off your mind.

In the Book of Joshua, God allegedly told the Israelites to massacre the entire population of Jericho, right down to the babies and the livestock. They committed mass murder it simply because that was what God asked of them, and because they expected that God would do something for them in return.

Israel has advanced beyond that barbaric standard, but the Book of Joshua hasn't been expunged from the list of holy books, even though it glorifies genocide. And there are other people (mostly Muslims of a certain flavor) who still commit mass murder because they believe it is what God asks of them and because God will reach out to them in return.

If "God wants it" is a sufficient justification for action, we haven't risen above the level of savagery.

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Date: 2005-11-21 02:36 pm (UTC)
madfilkentist: (Aristotle)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
Fair enough; but that implies that there is a higher standard than God's will, to which even God is (or should be) bound.

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