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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2005-12-18 11:47 pm
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the Conservative movement

Our local Jewish newspaper had an article this week on the Conservative movement's recent big conference. Now mind, this newspaper also covered the Reform movement's biennial a few weeks back and, I'm told, blew things rather out of proportion, fixating on one small part of the plenary speech as if it was the whole thing. So maybe that's what's going on here. I hope.

This article said, essentially, that there is serious debate within the Conservative movement about whether it should be, or view itself as, a halachic movement. WTF? I thought that was part of the core definition of the movement. From this article, it sounds like there are some in the movement (who are big enough to rate mike time at the convention) who feel that, say, keeping kosher or Shabbat isn't as important as making people feel comfortable (as if that dichotomy actually exists).

I'm kind of curious about what was actually discussed and what has mainstream backing as opposed to being out on the fringes.
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[personal profile] geekosaur 2005-12-19 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
I get the impression that that is at least closely related to the big debate in Conservative circles: the general impression is that the movement is drifting along rudderless and without focus (and a number of smart folks seem to think it's in the process of dying), and the question is which way they should be steering. It's a big question, though, as C congregations range from might-as-well-be-Reform to "conservadox" and someone will be left out in the cold (and probably leave) no matter what is decided.

[identity profile] osewalrus.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I tend to agree. This debate has been going on in the conservative movement for some time.

Interestingly, my uncle (who is at JTS) is working on a new High Holidays machzor which got pretty good reviews in the beta testing. I believe the approach they took kept in the traditional parts, but added new optional readings (inn both Hebrew and English) and an updated translation. Not sure how indicative this is of overall direction within the movement.

[identity profile] cahwyguy.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
There was a reference to this in the latest issue of the MLJ Digest. I also provided some pointers to some equally interesting articles from the Jewish Journal. Of course, you can find it at http://www.mljewish.org; I think it is v15n11.
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[personal profile] sethg 2005-12-19 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you read Emet ve-Emunah: Statement of Principles of Conservative Judaism? "Some of us believe X ... others believe Y ... and then there are those who believe Z...."

If the movement came to some kind of consensus about it not being halakhic, that would be some kind of progress.

[identity profile] sanpaku.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
The book defined the movement as halachic. The disagreements (positions A, B, C etc.) are on the sources of authority, as there's no certified Conservative position on what exactly happened at Sinai. Debates over dogma are different than debates over practical observance and ritual. Related to one another, but different.

[identity profile] sanpaku.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Gillman was here last year for my rabbi's installation; he's a former teacher of hers. But she really disagrees with him. He is one of the prominent authors of the movement, but he is also a provocateur. (Academic Jews really love that whole "I made you think because I pissed you off" shtick, eg Jacob Neusner.) You have to understand his statements in those terms.

How mainstream it is can be gauged by the fact that a) it's news because he's the first person to propose this openly -- but it hasn't happened in a serious way before, which may be a surprise; b) most laity have no idea what this "halachic" thing is; c) somewhere in between are the lay and clerical leaders. There's nothing here that wasn't posited by Mordechai Kaplan a long time ago. Most Conservative Jews are Reconstructionists without knowing it, but in terms of leadership, the movement is committed to something along the lines of halacha, and I don't think Gillman's statement will change that.

What's happening is that alarm over the numbers combined with Schorsch's leaving is opening the floodgates for everyone to trot out their own pet theories for why what they don't like about the movement is what's causing its "collapse." A lot of people chafed under Schorsch's traditionalism and are really eager to smash it down. There will be a lot of turmoil and there could be a schism. On the other hand, there is a reason Reconstructionism did not conquer Conservatism fifty years ago. The big tent or mushy center will always have an appeal, and Reconstructionism is too detailed for it to be that, so I suspect fealty to halacha will continue to define the movement, regardless of Gillman.