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Dear LJ brain trust,

I'd like to get an inexpensive laptop. It won't be my main machine; it's for travel and other situations where portability is useful. So it doesn't need to be studly; it just needs to be reliable and support basic tools like Firefox, emacs, SSH, FTP, and that sort of thing.

This would be a prime opportunity to explore the Macintosh, which some of my friends rave about, except for one little thing: I can get a (new) Dell laptop for around $400, but Macs start at $1100. Is there some less-expensive option I'm missing?

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Date: 2006-10-16 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sui66iy.livejournal.com
There is always the refurbished stuff (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=D8593B5A&nclm=CertifiedMac), though it won't get you anywhere near $400.

On the other hand, I actually bought that $400 Dell laptop for Jill, because she needed a Windows machine, and frankly it's less than delightful. So if you decide against a Mac, you might want to shell out a little more than the bare minimum for your Windows machine. (Then again, I could be biased by my intense dislike of installing stupid Windows patches every 10 minutes. Since you mostly want to run free software, I guess you could just put Linux on it and maybe it would be better.)

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Date: 2006-10-16 09:11 am (UTC)
dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
Ubuntu; anything with at least 512MB of RAM will run it acceptably, but a gigabyte will be better if you have a slow processor.

Tangentially ...

Date: 2006-10-16 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dglenn.livejournal.com
#blink#

I've been planning to upgrade my various Linux machines to something more modern than RH6. I think the most RAM I have in any one machine is only 320M and most have less than 96M. Please tell me most modern distros don't ask for as much RAM as Ubuntu...

(If it helps, most of my machines don't run X servers, though a couple of them do run X clients.)

Re: Tangentially ...

Date: 2006-10-16 05:23 pm (UTC)
dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
If you're running a GNOME desktop and FireFox and Thunderbird and OpenOffice and an IM program and GIMP all at once, the way most random desktop users might? You want 512MB, at least. If you've got a 400MHz processor or so, you want a gig so that the combined slowdown of processor and swap isn't unbearable.

If you're running XFCE desktop and FireFox and a bunch of xterms, and you fire up OpenOffice and GIMP and such when you need them, you can manage on 256MB.

If you're running no X, you may be fine on 128MB. Ubuntu's memory requirements are solely a function of the desktop orientation.

ubuntu

Date: 2006-10-16 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brokengoose.livejournal.com
I'll echo the ubuntu (actually, I prefer xubuntu) recommendation, with one big caveat: Like many commercial OSs, they really try to squeeze your setup into "wizards" and GUI tools. That's fine when it works (which, truthfully, is most of the time), but it can be much more difficult when it doesn't. In the past, I've had to give up on Ubuntu because the GUI couldn't make the change I wanted and they'd eliminated the non-GUI tools from the distribution.

As for Apple laptops, there's an important rule: never pay retail. The employee and academic discounts can be substantial. You know plenty of people who can get you one or the other.

Re: ubuntu

Date: 2006-10-20 03:32 pm (UTC)
goljerp: Photo of the moon Callisto (Default)
From: [personal profile] goljerp
About apple machines, you said:
The employee and academic discounts can be substantial.

While this was true historically, in recent years the academic discounts have gotten a lot smaller. I think now they're on the order of 10%. While it's not nothing, it's not like the academic discounts back in the day...

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Date: 2006-10-16 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sui66iy.livejournal.com
I defer to the fellow who has a strong opinion; it's been years since I used Linux as a desktop environment and so my experience is limited to the decidedly un-hip Red Hat. The thing I always hear about Linux on a laptop is that the wireless situation can be a pain (which is sort of a big deal). But that could well be much better now --- I haven't kept track.

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Date: 2006-10-16 05:24 pm (UTC)
dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
With a supported card, it's utterly painless. With a non-supported card, ranges from painful to impossible.

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