[SCA] newcomers at general meetings
Sep. 11th, 2007 10:43 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
cellioI'm curious how other SCA groups with predictable influxes (this usually means students) handle the introduction. We have demos at the beginning of the school year on our two major college campuses, so the first general meeting in September doubles as the "talk to the people from the demos who were curious enough to come to the meeting" meeting.
What often happens at ours is that each officer and each guild head gets up and gives a spiel about that particular area. There are about 30 such people, which IMO is at least 20 too many to speak at such a meeting. Even if you limit them to two minutes per, that's an hour of just sales pitches. Some people will not be limited, and we're collectively too polite to shut them up. I fear that we drive away people who would otherwise come back. I've seen this scenario happen year after year; some years are better than others, of course, depending on who's running the meeting, but it's a standing problem.
I have yet to meet a college freshman (the bulk of these attendees) who, at the first meeting, will care one whit about heraldic bureaucracy (commenting sessions), children's activities, becoming a first-aid officer (let 'em come to a fighting practice or event first), setting up tournmanet brackets (ditto), awards, or several other things that usually get covered. By definition, if you've gotten them interested, they'll have plenty of other opportunities to hear about such things, once they have context and interest. And there's a newsletter and a web site anyway.
At various times I've suggested to our officers either telling some positions they don't get to make pitches at all at that meeting, or choosing 4-5 offices/guilds a month to highlight and doing 'em all over the course of the academic year. So far it hasn't happened. A couple times I've quietly suggested to specific people that, hey, the meeting's long, and would you consider delaying your spiel? Apparently I have not mastered the right diplomatic skills, as that hasn't tended to work either.
So what do the rest of y'all in big groups do?
Our meeting is tomorrow night. Since that's also Rosh Hashana, I won't be there to see how it plays out this year. And anyway, it's probably too late to try to do anything now; this would best be done as consciousness-raising at the officers' meeting earlier in the month. So, thinking ahead to next year, what might I be able to do to encourage my group's officers to think about this issue differently?
(I am aware that several members of my local group read this journal and this might look like some sort of passive-aggressive BS. It's not. I'm interested in ideas, from anyone.)
What often happens at ours is that each officer and each guild head gets up and gives a spiel about that particular area. There are about 30 such people, which IMO is at least 20 too many to speak at such a meeting. Even if you limit them to two minutes per, that's an hour of just sales pitches. Some people will not be limited, and we're collectively too polite to shut them up. I fear that we drive away people who would otherwise come back. I've seen this scenario happen year after year; some years are better than others, of course, depending on who's running the meeting, but it's a standing problem.
I have yet to meet a college freshman (the bulk of these attendees) who, at the first meeting, will care one whit about heraldic bureaucracy (commenting sessions), children's activities, becoming a first-aid officer (let 'em come to a fighting practice or event first), setting up tournmanet brackets (ditto), awards, or several other things that usually get covered. By definition, if you've gotten them interested, they'll have plenty of other opportunities to hear about such things, once they have context and interest. And there's a newsletter and a web site anyway.
At various times I've suggested to our officers either telling some positions they don't get to make pitches at all at that meeting, or choosing 4-5 offices/guilds a month to highlight and doing 'em all over the course of the academic year. So far it hasn't happened. A couple times I've quietly suggested to specific people that, hey, the meeting's long, and would you consider delaying your spiel? Apparently I have not mastered the right diplomatic skills, as that hasn't tended to work either.
So what do the rest of y'all in big groups do?
Our meeting is tomorrow night. Since that's also Rosh Hashana, I won't be there to see how it plays out this year. And anyway, it's probably too late to try to do anything now; this would best be done as consciousness-raising at the officers' meeting earlier in the month. So, thinking ahead to next year, what might I be able to do to encourage my group's officers to think about this issue differently?
(I am aware that several members of my local group read this journal and this might look like some sort of passive-aggressive BS. It's not. I'm interested in ideas, from anyone.)
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Date: 2007-09-12 05:49 pm (UTC)Cour d'Or has in the past. I got plunked into garb at a Cour d'Or Newcomer meeting, and as chatelaine (very short stint), I did that once. People seemed to like it.
I think we can't say that ceratin people can't talk at all. September Barony meeting still has to run, after all, and it's policy that anyone can stand up to speak. It's not just a newcomer meeting - it's Barony meeting that some new people attend, so we try to make it interesting. Business still must be done.
On the flip side, when I was active in Cour d'Or, I ran a few speciafically newcomer's meetings. They all turned out a bit different. Doing is definitely better than lectures. I think I would have done them differently. As a (nearly)28 year old woman, I've got much better herding and PR skills than I did as a 19 year old girl. The main problem with those was similar to what happens at Barony meeting: someone gets carried away talking and everyone gets bored. At one particularly memorable one, one person got off on a tangent about Pennsic and talked for nearly 20 minutes (Pennsic should NEVER get more than a pssing mention until the person is hooked). And there was someone in the SCA who came to "help" that did nothing but sit in the back of the room and snark. It was a nightmare, and I didn't have the authoritative chops (I do now) to shut them up! There were a ton of people there, too. Not one came back.
I think the key at Barony meeting is the getting the *right* people to chat them up afterwards and personally invite them to stuff.
We sometimes had newcomer events. Remember the Cour d'Or Schola? Those were FABULOUS to hook people in. All beginner classes. The NMS is a giant pain in the side for that one. The last one we got around it by bidding that first-time event-goers got in for free. Or perhaps at one of the Universities? Hmmm. Too late for this year. But next?
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Date: 2007-09-12 09:18 pm (UTC)All that said, at this meeting in particular, people should try to keep the business stuff brief (while still functional) so we can get on to talking informally with the newcomers.
I'm glad Cour d'Or's newcomer meetings have worked so well (windbags aside). There's no reason we can't have a free event aimed at college students in the fall each year. Schenley Park is either free or cheap enough to make it back in donations, and we can do a cheap meal. Campuses are free (food might be problematic). Maybe folks can budget for this next year. (It's a recruiting expense, not an event expense.)
Gotta run. Have fun tonight.
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Date: 2007-09-13 03:54 am (UTC)