daf bit: Nedarim 48
Feb. 7th, 2008 09:06 amThe mishna discusses using an intermediary to get around a vow.
Suppose a father has vowed not to benefit from his son. His
son wants to host a banquet for his own son's wedding, and the
mishna proposes that he give the banquet (that is, the resources
to pay for it) to a neighbor on the condition that his father
be invited. The gemara debates whether this is valid, and
concludes that if he says "so that my father can come"
it is legal but if he says "on condition that my father
can come", it is not a legitimate gift. The decision must be
left to the recipient, but the giver is allowed to make a
request. (48b)
Re: Tangential, but significant I think:
Date: 2008-02-11 01:27 am (UTC)The halakhic example: On the first day of sukkot (when it isn't Shabbat), the lulav & Etrog you take must belong to you. They cannot be borrowed. However, people want to loan them out anyway to those who don't have their own. So they are given as gifts, with the implicit or explicit (and I'm dealing more with the explicit) condition that it is given to you as a gift only on the condition that you give it to me as a gift when you are done shaking it. A gift can always be given with conditions halakhically.