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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2008-04-29 08:50 pm
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let all who are hungy come and eat

A previous entry has spawned a discussion in comments that I want to call out, because two days is forever in blog time and I have some readers who might be interested.

The magid (in many ways the main part of the Pesach haggadah) begins with the following declaration: "This is the bread of affliction that our ancestors ate in the land of Egypt. Whoever is hungry -- let him come and eat. Whoever is needy -- let him come and celebrate Pesach!" (This is known as "ha lachma anya", for the opening words -- which are in Aramaic, the then-common tongue, so that they would be understood.)

I, and most liberal Jews I know, interpret this pretty broadly; we would invite a Jew or a gentile who expressed interest. Some traditional readings say this applies to a Jew only, pointing out that "come and celebrate Pesach" was originally about joining in the korban (animal sacrifice), which is only applicable to Jews. But (as someone pointed out else-thread), you must include your servants under most circumstances, even if they're non-Jews, so clearly there is some room for interpretation here.

I have a lot of readers who are learned in such matters, so I pose the question to you: whom do you feel obligated to include per "ha lachma anya", and who else would you include anyway? What are the issues?

Personally, I would include anyone who asked out of apparent sincerity, Jewish or not. I don't really care if the person is a seeker exploring Judaism or just curious; if he wants to learn enough to show up, he's welcome. The only bar would be to someone who has made it clear that his goal is to harrass, or who somehow poses a serious threat to me or my other guests. (That's hypothetical, but I include it for the sake of completeness.)

I am also mindful that I was that outsider once, that then-gentile who crashed a seder at the last minute because I realized it mattered. So there's some amount of "pay it forward" in my reaction, but it's not just that. I want to be the kind of person who says "of course; we'll just add a chair to the table", and the kind of person who is approachable in matters of religion.

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[personal profile] dsrtao 2008-04-30 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
I'm happy to say that at my sister's seder, we had my wife and kids, my parents, my other sister's family -- and some random non-Jewish guests, being a husband, wife, three kids and a mother-in-law. During the seder we discovered that the husband worked as a UNIX sysadmin, and the mother-in-law is active in the SCA around Albany. It's a very small world...

[identity profile] msmemory.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
I have been to three seders (sederim?) in my life. One with my husband's aunt and uncle, one with SCA friends [who may not have known before inviting us that I am not Jewish], and one with my church which held one as a recreation of the Last Supper. I appreciate being welcomed to Pesach, and find value and learning in the ritual. I do not think anyone should feel obligated to invite me, but I appreciate those who do.

[identity profile] miz-hatbox.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Our family used to use a Haggadah that directed that the leader open the door when announcing "Let all all who are hungry come and eat."

This had the effect of generosity in theory but it was an obviously token gesture, because the leader would immediately close the door afterward and sit back down.

If I'm hosting the seder I might invite a few folks whom I know moderately well and who seem interested. It depends. Since we share a seder with another family that includes three small children, the last few seders have been at their house (because we don't have to lug nearly as much kid-related stuff) and so I am hesitant to invite extras.

This year I did my Leukemia Fundraiser dinner in the middle of Passover (as it turns out) and I was very specific to say in the E-Vite that went to all the women in the neighborhood, "On Passover we say 'Let all who are hungry come and eat.' So I will be cooking for you."


[identity profile] goldsquare.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
My home is generally a place where people can come and eat. Why would a Passover be any different?

OK, the year Elijah really came to dinner was amusing... but it wasn't my house.

[identity profile] xiphias.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The biggest reason that I want to hold sederim, and the greatest joy of having a seder on the couple occasions we have done so, is having people over who are interested in the seder. Especially people who DON'T know what it's about, but are attracted to it, anyway.

My limit would be practical -- only so many people as I can shove around the table; only so many people as I can cook for.

Dunno how many that would be -- probably not more than, say, fifteen or twenty, if we used paper plates and dragged in card tables, and all that, and we'd probably have to serve something that tastes good but was on the less-expensive side. But I'd sure like to do that.

It might be a bit much for Lis, though, who gets peopled-out easily.

[identity profile] byronhaverford.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I must correct one of my posts on the other-thread that spawned this one.

The only /halachic/ Pesach obligations, as I understand it, are 1) eat matzah on Day 1; 2) Don't eat leavened foods for 7 days; 3) partake of a special sacrificial lamb (temporarily suspended); and 4) teach your children about this.

To reword my previous post: It is traditional to invite your entire household (including servants), whether they are Jewish are not, but men need to be circumcised to sit at the seder table.

[identity profile] thecommanderdia.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that the kind of thing you would just "assume" of anyone who you invited. It might be kind of awkward...

"Hey Char, I'm really interested in Passover/Pesach."

"Cool. Would you like to come to our house to participate?"

"Yup, that would be great."

"Great. Are you circumcised? Cause if not, you can't sit at the table."

[identity profile] byronhaverford.livejournal.com 2008-04-30 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
We don't require documentation.

[identity profile] thecommanderdia.livejournal.com 2008-05-01 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Nice to know. :)