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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2008-10-12 01:36 pm
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replacing albums

Dear LazyWeb,

Dani and I have a lot of albums and cassettes that we don't play any more, so we have begun the process of figuring out how to upgrade to digital media (while culling the stuff we don't care about any more). Some albums exist as CDs or downloads; others we'll have to burn ourselves (we have hardware for that). Mostly we're replacing albums, we think, and not just grabbing the "good tracks". But not all albums were reissued as CDs, so there are some individual tracks in our future assuming we can find them. (We're only through "folk, A to C" so far so expectations could change, but this is what it's looking like now.)

Even though most of this is going to end up as MP3s anyway, I prefer to buy physical CDs where we can. Yes, it's extra work to then burn them and we have to store the CDs, but I want both the liner notes and the security of knowing that some digital nanny isn't going to prevent me from moving that album to a new computer or iPod. It's also easier to browse; cover art and location on the shelves are meaningful guideposts for me, and iTunes' "genre" is not nearly rich enough for sorting; I need multi-level catagorization.

First questions: where besides Amazon should we be looking online for reasonably-priced CDs, some obscure? Is anybody beating Amazon on price consistently enough to look into? (I realize that the Amazonians among my readers might not want to answer that. :-) )

Now, about downloads. We haven't bought much music in this form before. We want it to be as easy as possible to play whatever we buy on multiple computes and iPods, including future ones and future tech. Sometimes this is prevented (DRM, I presume) -- I bought a song from iTunes and we were unable to play it on Dani's computer. Other times things appear to work fine -- Dani bought a song from Amazon and I could play it just fine. Next questions: are these typical experiences for those two vendors? Are there other vendors we should look at?

Thanks.

[identity profile] alfiechat.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Ebay or half.com is good for cd's. I have bought several from there over the years. And you can check feedback to see if the person has a good rep.

[identity profile] tashabear.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
You just have to authorize Dani's computer on your iTunes account. [livejournal.com profile] darkwolfie and I actually share an account, and it makes things a lot easier.

Amazon downloads are DRM-free, BTW.

[identity profile] tangerinpenguin.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Amazon MP3s are DRM-free, and are of course MP3s. iTunes is increasingly DRM-free, depending on the label - you want to look for "iTunes Plus" status - and uses the AAC format, which is standardized as part of the MPEG standards and is rapidly getting widespread support beyond the iPod.

iTunes

(Anonymous) 2008-10-12 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Apple has finally abandoned their copy protection. Newer downloads port much more easily.

A good source for CD's is used CD stores and even better are pawn shops.


Transfering records...

[identity profile] tc-tick.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I have 55,000 tunes (13,000+ albums (or pieces thereof), but I still have a cabinet full of albums that are not on my iTunes -- I'm not sure it is worth the 100's of hours it would take to transfer them (partly due to the condition of many of the records, partly because I have 183 days worth of music already on iTunes and I haven't made it all the way through the 60 hours I have on my iPod.

I too like having the physical CD's, but I've run out of room for CD shelves, and many of them are now sitting in boxes in the garage -- not likely to be played anytime soon, so I've mostly given up on the physical media and just make lots of backups of the database (about 260GB worth). Great to have cheap, large, external hard-drives.
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[personal profile] geekosaur 2008-10-12 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Other places to look are eMusic.com and RhapsodyMusicService.com. (I haven't taken more than a cursory look at either, so don't know how the prices compare or what DRM might be in the way.)

You can, btw, un-DRM iTunes tracks: burn a CD or DVD from iTunes. The quality takes a hit, though.

[identity profile] hlinspjalda.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
We have two subscriptions to eMusic. It's got a lot of small-label and indie stuff, but Mr. Fixer loves its incredible back catalogue of old blues. It also has a huge catalogue of classical and early, at least a dozen Anonymous 4 albums, and the Smithsonian Folkways collection. What it doesn't have is big name acts and labels like Atlantic.

It's very inexpensive per cut, and the stuff is completely free of restrictions, i.e., you can burn it to a CD without feeling like you're going to be entertaining visits from RIAA in the middle of the night. We play it through our house music server and on our Radio Shack mp3 players with no problems.

Re: iTunes

[identity profile] tashabear.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Not for everything, they haven't, plus they charge you more.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html
Edited 2008-10-12 19:40 (UTC)

[identity profile] anastasiav.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't really speak to electronic media -- we rarely buy MP3s, but instead choose to transfer existing CDs to MP3 format on our own PC using Exact Audio Copy, but re: physical media --

I strongly urge you to look into local indy record stores near you. Here in Portland we have a Maine-based chain called Bull Moose Music and their prices beat -- by far -- anything that Amazon sells; we know we're buying local; and the stores are staffed by nice and very musically knowledgeable local musicians and artists. I can't imagine that a larger city wouldn't have something similar.
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[personal profile] fauxklore 2008-10-12 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Going with local stores is a good idea and most will special order.

I find CD Baby to have a fair selection. My go to place for cast recordings is Footlight Records in NY. (They do mail order, too. If I go in person, I have to go with only cash and only as much as I am willing to spend.)

Alas, I have a lot of stuff that is never likely to appear on CD and one of these days I will get around to digitizing it. That seems more urgent for the tapes than the vinyl, actually, as they seem more likely to deteriorate. I have also found that there are a surprising number of recordings where I want only one or two tracks.

[identity profile] byronhaverford.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Your experience with iTunes is similar to my own. I take very seriously the idea that buying a song gives me the right to use it as I see fit for my own entertainment.

Walmart.com is my first stop when shopping for mp3s: nice background downloader, no DRM, easy payment, but limited selection.

Would you consider paying iTunes for the DRM-song, and then downloading an mp3 from an "off-shore location"? I do not consider this unethical, but YMMV. It is more convenient than burning the song to a CD, then ripping the CD, and the end result is the same.

[identity profile] gardenfey.livejournal.com 2008-10-12 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
For obscure CDs: www.cdbaby.com. I've also had good luck with www.half.com.

There are freeware programs out there to change .m4a to .mp3, or you could just burn a CD with iTunes & rip it with CDex.

[identity profile] magid.livejournal.com 2008-10-13 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Today's XKCD (http://xkcd.com/488/) is eerily on topic...

[identity profile] byronhaverford.livejournal.com 2008-10-13 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
The only referral you need is to Google. Put the song name in quotes and follow it with mp3.
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Re: Transfering records...

[personal profile] jducoeur 2008-10-14 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yaas. I'm in the process (very slowly) of ripping my Clams tapes over to MP3 so that I can listen to them again. I'm uncomfortable about passing those around due to copyright considerations (ripping my own tapes for personal use is one thing, distribution another), but we might want to talk to the band about it sometime and see how they actually feel about it...
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2008-10-14 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Just to echo others: CDBaby is the store of choice for more-obscure CDs -- I've bought a considerable amount from them, both in physical media and download.

And as a rule of thumb, I always buy from Amazon in preference to iTunes, simply as a statement about DRM. When iTunes is really DRM-free, they'll start getting more of my money again. (As it is, they're probably losing about $25/month to Amazon from me.)
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Re: Transfering records...

[personal profile] jducoeur 2008-10-15 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah -- I'm talking about the "commercial" recordings that were actually sold, not private tapes of specific concerts. (I didn't do any recording myself...)
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Re: Transfering records...

[personal profile] jducoeur 2008-10-16 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I've got the CDs, but it's an inexact match. (And I wish I knew where my copy of the vinyl has gotten to -- I *know* we owned a copy of For Here Or To Go, but it's wandered off...)

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/merle_/ 2008-10-16 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Amazon's are not only all DRM-free (and generally cost the same as the DRM iTunes ones and less than the DRM-free iTunes ones), but are 256k variable bit rate. I seem to recall hearing that a lot of iTunes songs are at a lower quality, but have never purchased from them so it is mere hearsay.

[identity profile] gregbo.livejournal.com 2008-10-28 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
A few used recording stores put some of their inventories on eBay, such as Amoeba Records.