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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2009-06-02 09:07 pm
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how can a murderer be pro-life?

I keep starting and abandoning posts about the murder of Dr. Tiller. I guess I'm still a little dumbfounded by the fanaticism involved.

It's not about pro-choice versus pro-life; the people I know who oppose abortion are not cold-blooded murderers, and we can disagree thoughtfully and respectfully. And most of the people I know who oppose abortion still grant that under some circumstances it might be the least-bad path, if the life of the mother is at stake (and with it the life of the fetus anyway, in some cases). I don't like abortion, but I feel it can be necessary sometimes. People like Randall Terry call Dr. Tiller a butcher; what do you call a doctor who stands idly by while a woman dies from a pregnancy gone horribly wrong?

But as I said, this isn't just about abortion. The person who murdered Dr. Tiller committed the same kind of terroristic act as the unabomber or the Oklahoma City bombers or any number of other people trying to advance a position by inciting fear and committing violence. No matter what the issue is, the method is unacceptable. As with treason, terrorism is about more than the specific acts committed by the wrongdoers. It doesn't seem like our legal system has a good way to deal with that, and indeed it would be hard to write the relevant laws, but I sure hope this factor is taken into account when Dr. Tiller's murderer is convicted and sentenced. The murder of any individual is sad; this was not just the murder of one individual. It needs to be discussed and, if possible, prosecuted as the larger crime.

[identity profile] alaricmacconnal.livejournal.com 2009-06-03 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
No, the fetus isn't always a murder victim (I agree with you there - I was attempting to look at things from Mt. Terry's point of view). I've always understood that murder implies some intent (that's why, I believe, we have manslaughter in the legal system and don't always prosecute in the self-defense cases).

Once we can define when a fetus becomes a human being (and has the same rights as an adult), things become clearer, but then it comes down to a conflict of rights (who gets to decide, the individual or the state). Can the individual also decide to give up their own life such that their childs lives (and can the state, or another individual, override that)? Like you said ... messy stuff.

[identity profile] alaricmacconnal.livejournal.com 2009-06-03 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oops, my mistake there.