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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2010-06-02 09:52 pm
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a question on this week's portion

If any of you have relevant knowledge or opinions, please chime in.

This week's portion is Sh'lach L'cha, which starts with the twelve men scouting out the land. In the end ten of them say this is a bad idea and the people believe them, which leads to that generation spending 40 years in the wilderness. The other two, Caleb and Yehoshua, say it's a good land and we should go, so they get to live to enter the land, but the rest of their generation won't make it.

At the beginning of the portion the twelve men are named with their tribes. In general these names follow the pattern "from the tribe of [tribe], [somebody] ben [somebody]", with (generally) the same trope (cantillation). There is one exception to the text pattern, and since tradition takes the precise wording of torah pretty seriously (and holds that there are no unnecessary words in torah), I wonder what it means.

The twelve tribes include the two "half-tribes" descended from Yosef. (Yaakov had 12 sons, but one is Levi who doesn't count in the 12, but another is Yosef whose portion split between his two sons, Efrayim and Manasheh, so 12 but not the original 12.) The text for the first is "from the tribe of Efrayim, Hoshea bin Nun" (he doesn't get renamed for a few more verses). The text for the second is "from the tribe of Yosef from the tribe of Manasheh, Gadi ben Susi". So why does Yosef get mentioned explicitly for one of them but not for the other? Is it just that Hoshea (Yehoshua) is a big name and everyone knows who he is? But this is about the tribe, not the individual...

By the way, these are the two who get non-standard trope, too. In the latter case there are extra words to be covered so the pattern used for the rest wouldn't work, but that's not true for Yehoshua. He gets different trope anyway. One might think it's foreshadowing of the outcome, except that Caleb doesn't get any special trope. (Poor Caleb; he's just as meritorious as Yehoshua, but Yehoshua gets most of the glory.)

[identity profile] sanpaku.livejournal.com 2010-06-03 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
I've been reading Abba Hillel Silver's "Moses and the Original Torah," and there's so much variation in all of the tribal lists that you can infer all kinds of things. It's pretty clear Efraim and Menasseh are only distantly related and I wonder if the source is preserving some kind of alternate tradition about which one is really the Yosef tribe.

I've often wondered about cantillation, since words are so carefully obsessed over. But to my knowledge the trope serves an almost purely grammatical function, no matter how weird it might sound.

[identity profile] zevabe.livejournal.com 2010-06-03 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually Efraim is mentioned as related to Yosef, and Menasheh is not. Efraim also held much more of a leadership role later on: (Joshua, Shaul, Jeroboam ben Navat, Mordechai: all famous Efraimites).
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[personal profile] goljerp 2010-06-03 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
But to my knowledge the trope serves an almost purely grammatical function, no matter how weird it might sound.

...except when it doesn't. There are definitely some times when it seems like the trope is making a comment on the text. For example, the shalshelet (sp?): rare trope, but where does it come up? When Lot is dithering about leaving Sodom (very appropriate). Also when Joseph is refusing Potiphar's wife. Anywhere else? I forget.
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[personal profile] goljerp 2010-06-03 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there's a midrash that Caleb marries Miriam... but yeah, not as big a reward.

[identity profile] chaos-wrangler.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Wikipedia lists 4 (but only 3 with details/reasons): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalshelet (I'm too tired to get the link to work right now, but copy&paste is our friend).
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[identity profile] 530nm330hz.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
Chizkuni has a convincing answer.

[identity profile] zevabe.livejournal.com 2010-06-08 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Shaul & Mordechai were actually Benjaminites. I was mistaken.
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[personal profile] goljerp 2010-06-08 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, where did I see that? Ah. In Sisters at Sinai, pg. 275, Jill Hammer writes (in a note about a modern midrash she wrote),
In 1 Chronicles 2:18-20, Caleb seems to have many wives. The rabbinic reading (Exodus Rabbah 1:17) is that all of these women are Miriam, except for the two women listed as concubines [....]


The trend in the rabbinic midrash to condense all women named in the bible is a bit, disturbing to me. (Shifra and Puah? They're really Miriam and Yocheved! Abraham's wife Keturah? Really Hagar! Aren't there few enough women in Tanach already without condensing them further?) However, Hammer makes an interesting point that the Caleb story in Joshua 15:19 has an additional resonance if it's Miriam's daughter asking her father (Caleb) for wells of water as an additional dowry.

[identity profile] zevabe.livejournal.com 2010-06-08 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
All of the ones in Genesis one is intended to believe that there was internal conflict and slowness to act. In Leviticus, one hopes that Aaron was not conflicted or slow to act in his slaughtering, as delaying is one of the things which makes a slaughter non-kosher.

[identity profile] chaos-wrangler.livejournal.com 2010-06-09 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
The trend in the rabbinic midrash to condense all women named in the bible is a bit, disturbing to me.

The same trend occurs with men, but it's less noticeable b/c there's more men to start with.