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yes we talk like this
At the Giant Eagle pharmacy:
Me: Here's a prescription, and a gift card from Big Pharma that will pay for three months' worth. If I mail-order it I can get three months' worth at once; can you do that for me?
Her: I don't know; I'm just the front-desk flunky. Do you want to leave it and we'll give you as much as we're allowed to?
Me: Sure.
After I did my grocery shopping I returned.
Her: Sorry, we're only allowed to do one fill-up at a time.
Me: I understand. Have we completed this transaction, then?
Her: Um, yes?
Me: Will you take as given that I walked out through that exit and then came back in, or do I need to actually do it?
Her: Nice try, but you have to wait a month.
Oh well. I have until the end of the year to use the gift card.
Dani: So you can read on Shabbat; can you use a Kindle?
Me: No, because you have to manipulate the controls. It's like changing the channels on TV; technically you can watch it if it's on but you can't change the channel or volume. (Pause.) I suppose if, before Shabbat, you set in motion a smooth scroll at a readable pace, that would be like programming the lights. But it seems unworkable.
Dani: What about software that tracks your eye movements and turns the page at the right time?
Me: Seems like manipulation to me. Next you'll be bringing up sentient lightbulbs again.
Dani: How good does the programming have to be before your software qualifies as a servant?
I have no answer to that. Halacha geeks?
Me: Here's a prescription, and a gift card from Big Pharma that will pay for three months' worth. If I mail-order it I can get three months' worth at once; can you do that for me?
Her: I don't know; I'm just the front-desk flunky. Do you want to leave it and we'll give you as much as we're allowed to?
Me: Sure.
After I did my grocery shopping I returned.
Her: Sorry, we're only allowed to do one fill-up at a time.
Me: I understand. Have we completed this transaction, then?
Her: Um, yes?
Me: Will you take as given that I walked out through that exit and then came back in, or do I need to actually do it?
Her: Nice try, but you have to wait a month.
Oh well. I have until the end of the year to use the gift card.
Dani: So you can read on Shabbat; can you use a Kindle?
Me: No, because you have to manipulate the controls. It's like changing the channels on TV; technically you can watch it if it's on but you can't change the channel or volume. (Pause.) I suppose if, before Shabbat, you set in motion a smooth scroll at a readable pace, that would be like programming the lights. But it seems unworkable.
Dani: What about software that tracks your eye movements and turns the page at the right time?
Me: Seems like manipulation to me. Next you'll be bringing up sentient lightbulbs again.
Dani: How good does the programming have to be before your software qualifies as a servant?
I have no answer to that. Halacha geeks?
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*sigh* Now you'll never invite me over, for fear that my dark side will prevail. ;-)
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Well, no later than Tuesday or Wednesday, anyway. :-)
There are exemptions for health, and I know people who would sanction turning the heat down in that case. Liberal Jews would likely consider the waste of energy even if you weren't otherwise making an economic argument.
(BTW, while you can't drive anywhere, you can certainly walk. There's a reason that observant Jews tend to cluster together in cities; it's easier to visit each other on Shabbat. Hospitality, particularly for Shabbat meals, is an important part of the culture. So if you made my house seriously unpleasant to be in and I didn't think I could respond to your mischief, I could go ask a neighbor for crash space for the night.)