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Fascinating. According to this article (tweeted by R' Gil Student), Neshama Carlebach, daughter of Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach and a singer of whom I'm fond, went to the URJ biennial last week and decided (on the spot?) to join the Reform movement. Given her Orthodox background that's a bit of a surprise, though I always did wonder how she reconciled Orthodoxy's prohibitions on women singing in front of men with her career.

Perhaps ironically, while she feels drawn in by the Reform movement, I've been feeling pushed away from it in recent years. I could imagine the possibility of ending up Orthodox someday. I know of two factors at play right now, one in each direction, that prevent my serious consideration of the idea. And neither of them is theology.

What keeps me in the Reform movement and, specifically, my congregation, is my absolutely wonderful rabbi (and by the way our Shabbat morning minyan, which he leads, but not just that). Despite all the other problems that sometimes come up -- "entitlement" services that are more about performance than about worship, the disregard by many congregants for those of us who actually are observant, lowest-common-denominator practice, and others -- I, have a spiritual and learning home there, at least so long as my rabbi is leading things.

And what keeps me out of the Orthodox movements (there's more than one) is not theology but the limitations I would experience as a woman. Being told that I can never represent the community, never lead prayers nor read from the torah, never fully engage spiritually except in women-only groups -- I can't go there. So the article about Neshama Carlebach and the challenges she faced in that community struck rather close to home for me.

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Date: 2013-12-19 04:41 am (UTC)
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There's always the Conservative movement :-)

(Although to be fair, I think that many Conservative shuls have the same problems you mention... I think I'm lucky that my shul doesn't have them so much.)

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Date: 2013-12-19 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com
Beat me to it! I wouldn't actually recommend my own shul as being super-spiritual, but there are plenty of Conservative shuls out there that are great, at least here in NY (I'd belong to [livejournal.com profile] chanaleh's shul, Town & Village (http://tandv.org/), in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the fact that it's in NYC).

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Date: 2013-12-19 06:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarr.livejournal.com
Try out one of the partnership minyan's. It's not... perfect, but... it's not quite so bad as what you describe ;)

Not sure there's one in Pitt. We have 2 in boston, (at least), one in cambridge, one in brookline.

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Date: 2013-12-19 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sanpaku.livejournal.com
What happened with "Rabbi Chuck"'s breakaway congregation? (Can't remember the name offhand.) That sounded kind of promising.

ETA: I looked it up and they merged with Tree of Life, but you knew that already. Is it any good?
Edited Date: 2013-12-19 03:58 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2013-12-20 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarr.livejournal.com
Well, Shira Chadasha is ortho, & is called partnership...it's pretty different from egalitarian trad.

Egalitarian tends to have no mechitza, and women count in the minyan. Women can lead shacharit and mussaf, etc.

Partnership doesn't have that. They have a mechitza, women don't count in 10, and they can only lead things like Pzukei, Torah service, etc.

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Date: 2013-12-23 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magid.livejournal.com
At Tehillah, women do count, towards the 10 women minimum, in addition to the 10 men minimum.

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Date: 2013-12-23 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarr.livejournal.com
Just to explain, some of the partnership Minoans require both 10 men and 10 women.

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Date: 2013-12-20 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] egoldberg.livejournal.com
BTW, do you already know about Kol Cambridge?

http://myisraeliguide.com/kolcambridge/how-to-subscribe-to-the-kol-cambridge-podcast/

Great (IMHO) podcast of traditional Jewish & modern Israeli music oriented around English speakers. They have definitely played Neshama Carlebach's work there, since that's where I learned of her music from.

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