daf bit: Beitzah 39

[cellio]

As we know, on Shabbat and festivals we can't carry things through the public domain without making an eiruv (a containing boundary, essentially). A mishna on today's daf teaches: if one has his produce in another town (close enough for this to work), then if the people in that town make an eiruv to include him so that they can come visit him, they can't bring his produce with them, because the produce has the same restrictions as its owner. If, however, the owner makes an eiruv, he can then go and fetch his produce. The mishna also teaches: if one invites guests to his home, they may not take away any portions unless the host had designated those portions for those guests in advance. (39b-40a)

The g'mara does not explain why, if he makes the eiruv, they can't bring him his produce.

I do not know, and the g'mara here does not address, how this designation for guests works: does the host have to designate specific portions for specific guests, or can he make a blanket "guests are allowed to take leftovers home" declaration?

Comments

[mbarr.livejournal.com]

1. Festivals you can carry.

2. Don't know about eruv. But it might be taking possession on shabbat?

[cellio]

1. I almost footnoted that. You can carry for the sake of the festival, but not generally, or so I was taught. So carrying your lulav to services on Sukkot is fine, but I don't know if you can carry your keys in your pocket.

2. That seems plausible.

[mbarr.livejournal.com]

For the sake of the festival is a *very* loose concept. Keys let you into your house. Food lets you enhance other's holidays..

You probably got the muchza version of a restriction.

Actually, as far as I know, you can carry. Period. Once you can carry one thing, you can carry. They should have a use on the chag, so, not money, for example.. but pretty much anything goes. Babies, keys, rain coat, whatever.

People use chag as a day to walk to people they couldn't otherwise, if they need a water bottle, etc. Or just to be able to bring a bottle of wine.


(You can also separate, and use fire, since those were needed for cooking.. A whole bunch of malachote were allowed because of food prep.)