cellio: (shira)
Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2014-09-07 05:20 pm

Braille + Hebrew?

Dear LJ Brain Trust,

A member of our minyan has a degenerative vision problem and can no longer use even a very-large-print prayer book. (She was absent for a while and returned this week with a guide dog.) She realized that she didn't know as many of the prayers by heart as she thought she did, so I'm spending some time with her to teach her by ear and we'll scare up some recordings for her, but memorization isn't really the ideal solution. Sure, people can and do memorize the core, common prayers, but it's hard to memorize everything, and sometimes there are seasonal changes, so you really want to be able to read the prayer book.

I once saw somebody who used a Braille prayer book, but at the time I didn't ask him how that worked and he's since passed away. Braille is, as I understand it, a letter-by-letter notation system with an extra layer (called "condensed", I've heard) where common words have their own symbols instead of being spelled out. (Like American Sign Language, except I have the impression that the balance between spelled-out and condensed is different. I may be wrong about that.) But -- all of that kind of assumes a particular alphabet, right? So how would Hebrew be rendered in Braille -- do they transliterate it and then Braille-encode that, or does the reader have to learn a different Braille language to match the different alphabet, or what?

I'd like to be able to help her get a prayer book she can read. I don't think she's ready to learn a second Braille language (she's still working on the first).

And a related question: she has an iPad; are there Braille peripherals for that like (I understand) there are for desktop computers? Is "digital copy of the book + iPad + peripheral" a practical alternative to the massive paper tome? (She would use technology on Shabbat for that purpose.)

[identity profile] talvinm.livejournal.com 2014-09-07 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I am roping in the resident expert. Expect reply soonish. :)

[identity profile] talvinm.livejournal.com 2014-09-07 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Related: while I do not know if this app is Voiceover-Compatible, it would be worth the 99 cents to find out, perhaps?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shabbos-clock/id302172998?mt=8

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-07 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I am trying to find out how well Apple supports Hebrew in VoiceOver. I've asked some blind friends of mine who should be able to tell me. Then I will see what other solutions I can help you find. I am looking at a English-to-Hebrew or Hebrew-to-English translation app to see how accessible that is. It's difficult for me to tell.

That said, while she will need to learn another code, this link:

http://www.jbilibrary.org/BrailleLibrary/

has books that have been put into Hebrew Braille. They can be embossed with a Braille printer or loaded onto the device and read with a refreshable Braille display.

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-07 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I also wanted to say that, yes, a Braille display hooked up to an iPad is a good idea. It's the best way, once Braille is learned, to keep up during a service.

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-07 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I just found out that VoiceOver does not support Hebrew at this time. That surprised me! I thought for sure it would. Don't despair yet, remember IOS 8 is coming out and who knows if it'll be supported then or not.

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2014-09-08 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
do they transliterate it and then Braille-encode that, or does the reader have to learn a different Braille language to match the different alphabet, or what?

If it's like Japanese, then for general purposes they encode the native alphabet for the language rather than encoding transliterations.
Though, I'm guessing that regular print prayerbooks with transliterations along with (/instead of) hebrew letters must exist? You could try to find a braille version of one of those, perhaps.

[identity profile] loosecanon.livejournal.com 2014-09-08 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
http://www.jewishchronicle.org/article.php?article_id=602

There are braille and audio Machzors, this link ought to help. It's old but I don't think dead.
ext_12246: (Dr.Whomster)

Some useful hits

[identity profile] thnidu.livejournal.com 2014-09-08 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
... from a Google search for Hebrew Braille (https://www.google.com/search?q=HEBREW+BRAILLE):
  • Wikipedia : Hebrew Braille (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Braille)
  • Hebrew Braille Alphabet  (PDF) (http://www.braille.ch/download/psheb-d.pdf)
  • JBI International [Jewish Braille Library] (http://www.jbilibrary.org/BrailleLibrary/)

Re: Some useful hits

[identity profile] mbarr.livejournal.com 2014-09-08 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to say Jewish Braile Institute, but that's already been linked.

If you need a contact there, for anything special, I'm friends w/ a special projects person there, and also one of their advisory board members.

Contact Info For JBI

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-08 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is a person and a phone number. They may have ideas, too:

Arlene Arfe at the Jewish Braille Institute
800-433-1531

Re: Some useful hits

[identity profile] mbarr.livejournal.com 2014-09-09 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not on the board, a family friend is. And another friend works there.

I know that one (SF) publisher will give books to blind folks, but that's a small sample of 1.

No clue how it works otherwise.

[identity profile] talvinm.livejournal.com 2014-09-09 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
http://tech.aph.org/rbd_info.htm

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, it has lots of languages. Several Spanish and French variants. Dutch, German--I think--Chineese, a couple dialects. Other languages that I can't figure out Go into Accessibility, VoiceOver, Language Rotor and you can get an idea of the voices and languages. Oh, forgot to mention the various English ones. American, Australian, British, Irish, South African ...

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Forgot to say that I use my RefreshaBraille with my Mac via USB and my iPad via bluetooth. Works really well. :)

Re: Some useful hits

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
You're talking about Baen Books. I get books from them for free, yes. Very generous of them!

Now, I have heard that there's some loophole. As long as the text is being put in a specialized format, they don't have to get permission to do it. That's very basic, and I am sure I am missing huge details, but that's how Bookshare is able to give us books, as well. (www.bookshare.org)

Re: Some useful hits

(Anonymous) 2014-09-10 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Yep- indeed!

I know that they can also put them on audio books, and books for the blind use a different, special format for exactly this reason...

Re: Some useful hits

[identity profile] mbarr.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, indeed!

And if you get audio books, they are on a different type of tape & player for the same reason.

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
IOS8 comes out on the 17Th. As soon as I am able to move up to it, I will see if Hebrew is added.

Re: Some useful hits

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-10 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. I use an app on my iPad to play the audio from BARD, now. It's very nice. I also have a digital talking book player, and I can download books onto a flash drive and plug it in and listen that way. I haven't pulled that out in a while though. :)

[identity profile] talvinm.livejournal.com 2014-09-11 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
There is a lot of unofficial buzz out there that iOS 8 will support Hebrew/Voiceover. That said, we won't know for sure until it goes public.

Hebrew Braille under IOS8.0.2

[identity profile] diannaamarich.livejournal.com 2014-09-26 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It appears that Hebrew (Israel) is supported with VoiceOver under IOS8.0.2. Talvin updated his iPad and he let me play with it. Go to Accessibility, VoiceOver, Speech, Add New Language. Scroll down past the various English voices. You will find it listed just after Greek (Greece) and before Hindi (India). I haven't added the language, because I don't know it, but someone can take it from here and work with the voice and see how well it works or will suit. :)