daf bit: Bava Kama 23

[cellio]

We talked last week about the categories of mu'ad and tam. A mishna on today's daf describes them, saying: cattle become mu'ad (known to cause damage, so the owner has to take precautions) after the owner has been warned for three days (regarding the act of goring), but return to the state of tam (it couldn't have been reasonably foreseen) after refraining from goring for three days. These are the words of R' Yehudah. R' Meir, on the other hand, says cattle become mu'ad after the owner had been warned three times, even on the same day, and become again tam when children keep touching them and they don't get gored. (23b)

In the g'mara they discuss the other two permutations -- that we follow R' Yehudah for mu'ad and R' Meir for tam, and the reverse. Final answer? I don't know.

Comments

[eub.livejournal.com]

"and become again tam when children keep touching them and they don't get gored"

I see parents have been remiss in their duties for thousands of years.

[cellio]

Or other relatives; most of us have some cousin or nephew or the like who we'd be happy to send out on ox-testing duty, right?