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The mishna lists more groups that have no portion in Olam HaBa, the World to Come, all based on proof-texts (i.e. not derivation): the generation of the flood, the generation of the dispersion (from the tower of Bavel), the men of S'dom, the ten spies (who spoke against the land, leading to 40 years in the wilderness), the generation of the wilderness, the congregation of Korach. On today's daf the g'mara discusses the wickedness of the men of S'dom, which is about cruelty and corruption of justice.

In S'dom, if a man assaulted another's wife and bruised her, the court would say "give her to him that she may become pregnant for you". If one cut off the ear of his neighbor's ass, they would say to the neighbor: give it to him until it grows back. If one wounded another they would say to the victim: pay him a fee for bleeding you. If a visitor came, they told him to lie down on a certain bed and they cut or stretched him to fit. If a poor man came, every resident would give him a coin with his own name written on it, but nobody would give him bread. When he died, they each came and collected their coins. Whoever invited a stranger to a banquet was stripped of his garments. A maiden gave a poor man bread (hidden in a pitcher), and when the townsfolk found out they tied her to the parapet and coated her in honey so the bees consumed her. And this is why the torah says "and the cry of S'dom and 'Amorah was great". (107b-108a mishna, 109b g'mara)

The torah text about S'dom is widely misunderstood, in part due to the misderivation of the English word "sodomy". If you read Genesis 19, you'll see that the crowd gathering at Lot's door wanted to rape the visitors. Because the visitors were men, people read this as being about homosexuality, but that's not really the issue here. The men of S'dom were violent and cruel, to men and women.

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Date: 2017-11-02 05:20 pm (UTC)
siderea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] siderea
It seems to me an important detail here is not just that that the crowd at Lot's door wanted to rape the visitors, but that they felt entitled to. All of these examples from mishna and g'mara are not just of people doing wrong, but of a whole society – from the civil institutions such as the courts to the general sentiment of the populace – that has no use for justice. The S'dom being described is a society where might makes right, and strong not only get away with preying on the weak, but there's nothing saying they're wrong to – and they even believe (and this is ensorsed by the norms of this society) it is their prerogative to do so. Most extreme, this society has made a crime of justice, defending the rule of might-make-right by punishing those who defy it to commit acts of kindness or charity.
Edited Date: 2017-11-02 05:21 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2017-11-03 10:53 am (UTC)
hudebnik: (rant)
From: [personal profile] hudebnik
Good thing this is just an Old Testament story, with no relevance at all to today.....

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