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The mishna lists more groups that have no portion in Olam HaBa, the World to Come, all based on proof-texts (i.e. not derivation): the generation of the flood, the generation of the dispersion (from the tower of Bavel), the men of S'dom, the ten spies (who spoke against the land, leading to 40 years in the wilderness), the generation of the wilderness, the congregation of Korach. On today's daf the g'mara discusses the wickedness of the men of S'dom, which is about cruelty and corruption of justice.

In S'dom, if a man assaulted another's wife and bruised her, the court would say "give her to him that she may become pregnant for you". If one cut off the ear of his neighbor's ass, they would say to the neighbor: give it to him until it grows back. If one wounded another they would say to the victim: pay him a fee for bleeding you. If a visitor came, they told him to lie down on a certain bed and they cut or stretched him to fit. If a poor man came, every resident would give him a coin with his own name written on it, but nobody would give him bread. When he died, they each came and collected their coins. Whoever invited a stranger to a banquet was stripped of his garments. A maiden gave a poor man bread (hidden in a pitcher), and when the townsfolk found out they tied her to the parapet and coated her in honey so the bees consumed her. And this is why the torah says "and the cry of S'dom and 'Amorah was great". (107b-108a mishna, 109b g'mara)

The torah text about S'dom is widely misunderstood, in part due to the misderivation of the English word "sodomy". If you read Genesis 19, you'll see that the crowd gathering at Lot's door wanted to rape the visitors. Because the visitors were men, people read this as being about homosexuality, but that's not really the issue here. The men of S'dom were violent and cruel, to men and women.

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Date: 2017-11-03 11:54 am (UTC)
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What this brought to my mind is the mishna in Pirkei Avot (5:12) [1]-- (Translation from new Sim Shalom, since it's the closest to me)


There are four character traits among people. Some say:
"Mine is mine and yours is yours" -- this is the average trait. (However, some say this trait is characteristic of Sodom.)
"Mine is yours and yours is mine" -- the trait of a peasant [2]
"Mine is yours and yours is yours" -- the trait of the saintly
"Yours is mine and mine is mine" -- the trait of a scoundrel.


If one accepts that the rule is that each person has to keep their own, then that explains their reaction to the poor man -- they have, he doesn't, they have to keep the status quo. Also the woman who gave what was hers (bread) to the man who didn't have any. Of course, this is ridiculous, and their punishments cruel.


[1] I must confess -- I didn't remember that it was PA 5:12, but rather that it was in PA, and in my favorite chapter (the one organized around numbers!
[2] Reuven Hammer, in his book Or Hadash: a commentary on Siddur Sim Shalom: for Shabbat and Festivals (which is what I'm really looking at) has a note on what Sim Shalom translates as "Peasant" noting that the term used is "am ha-aretz", which has a more negative connotation usually than just "peasant". Now I want to go look to see what other translations I have say... no, no time...

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