Yeeeeeeah, that's not being a troll and I'm, like, 3/5th on the other side of this.
I'm thinking SE is in a terrible bind here, much more than I think you realize. It sounds like from your perspective, you see this as an unreasonable outsider who either doesn't understand, or doesn't appreciate (or who in bad faith is pretending not to know to score a point) how SE works, who is getting an unreasonable level of deference at the expense (throwing under the bus) of SE volunteers. Unfortunately, for non-SE outsiders? It looks like the person you're calling the troll is the reasonable party and the SE volunteers behaved not only really poorly, but really poorly in a predictable and much-condemned-on-twitter template way (which is part of why it was like throwing gasoline on a lit candle); SE employees are swooping in trying to clean up a PR fiasco which is much worse than I think you appreciate. I don't think you're going to get what you want; I don't think you can get what you want – I don't think they dare walk anything back in public.
I think SE management agrees (or more agrees) with @shanemadden than the SE moderator and users who tried to "help" on Twitter.
My heart goes out to the SE volunteers, who don't understand what was wrong about what they did, or why SE would not be on their side about this. I know that from their perspective everything they did was sensible, kind, helpful, moral, etc, and this whole thing is bewildering as much as infuriating.
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Date: 2018-11-22 01:53 am (UTC)Yeeeeeeah, that's not being a troll and I'm, like, 3/5th on the other side of this.
I'm thinking SE is in a terrible bind here, much more than I think you realize. It sounds like from your perspective, you see this as an unreasonable outsider who either doesn't understand, or doesn't appreciate (or who in bad faith is pretending not to know to score a point) how SE works, who is getting an unreasonable level of deference at the expense (throwing under the bus) of SE volunteers. Unfortunately, for non-SE outsiders? It looks like the person you're calling the troll is the reasonable party and the SE volunteers behaved not only really poorly, but really poorly in a predictable and much-condemned-on-twitter template way (which is part of why it was like throwing gasoline on a lit candle); SE employees are swooping in trying to clean up a PR fiasco which is much worse than I think you appreciate. I don't think you're going to get what you want; I don't think you can get what you want – I don't think they dare walk anything back in public.
I think SE management agrees (or more agrees) with @shanemadden than the SE moderator and users who tried to "help" on Twitter.
My heart goes out to the SE volunteers, who don't understand what was wrong about what they did, or why SE would not be on their side about this. I know that from their perspective everything they did was sensible, kind, helpful, moral, etc, and this whole thing is bewildering as much as infuriating.