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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2021-06-03 09:29 pm
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the future of Stack Overflow

Yesterday Stack Overflow was bought by Prosus, a tech company based in the Netherlands, for a jaw-dropping $1.8B (yes billion). In the world of recent tech acquisitions that might be small change, but it's about three times what I thought their current valuation was. It's kind of a mystery what Prosus (yeah, I'd never heard of them before either) is getting out of this.

I might have more to say about this later, but for now I'm going to post here what I wrote on Reddit (which I joined for other reasons a couple months ago but hadn't posted on before), in response to a comment referring to "SO’s bonkers relationship with its moderator community" and suggesting that getting bought by a mega-corp would make that even worse.


I don't know how the sale will affect their disastrous relationship with the people they rely on to donate and curate content for their financial gain. Often a new owner doesn't understand what it's bought and makes things worse by meddling. On the other hand, the claim is that Stack Overflow will still operate independently and make its own decisions. In the acquisition of a successful company that would be good news (they can keep doing what they're doing), but in a declining company that shouldn't keep doing what it's doing because it's not working, pressure from the new owner could help, if Prosus will actually apply that pressure.

Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange network have been in decline for several years (since at least 2017 by my reckoning, some say longer). Some of that decline is due to outside factors and a lot is due to the company's actions. The good news is that most of the architects of those bad decisions are gone now, so the company could take the opportunity to say "y'know, we've been doing it wrong and we need to fix that" without anybody still there having to eat crow. The bad news is that, historically, this is not what Stack does; they double down on bad decisions, I assume because admitting mistakes is embarrassing. Several people still there who weren't part of those decisions now appear to be endorsing them -- whether due to internal pressure or because they drank the kool-aid I don't know.

Thus, the future is pretty unclear to me when it comes to how Stack Overflow treats its moderators and users. If Prosus allows them to operate independently, I expect they'll keep mistreating people even though they no longer have to placate departed leaders. If Prosus takes a closer look at what they've bought, they could make things either worse or better depending on what they decide and how well they execute it. On the current trajectory, I would expect the community, people's willingness to become moderators, and the quality of content to continue their current decline, and the invasiveness of ads and promotion of their Teams and Enterprise products to accelerate. SO is the gateway to the company's for-sale products; it doesn't matter to them independently. The company doesn't need quality and it does need to overcome SO's reputation of hostility, so they're willing to sacrifice the former to attempt the latter. The sad thing is that they could end up with neither even though it's actually possible to get both.

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[personal profile] metahacker 2021-06-04 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I am hopeful that at that price the new corporate overlords will force out the last of the bad decision makers. Not optimistic, but hopeful.
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[personal profile] loosecanon 2021-06-04 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
heads up on reddit; it's not a good idea to use your real name for anything at all, and in fact, many people purge and dump their accounts annually, to avoid hobbydoxxing.

Another way people handle it is to keep a different account for each topic of interest, so as not to cross contaminate.

(Anonymous) 2021-06-08 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
I normally don't write snark for snark's sake but when I saw the announcement of this on the SO blog I just had to post a comment.

I said, "1.8 billion! Congratulations. How much of that does Monica get?"

The comment was removed.
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[personal profile] jducoeur 2021-06-08 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)

The question really comes down to what business plan Prosus thinks they were buying.

My suspicion is that that plan has everything to do with Enterprise, and everything else is a trivial consideration at best. If so, then I would fully expect things to continue to get worse for the public sites. Hopefully I'm incorrect, but we'll see.