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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2021-01-28 08:33 pm
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Trolling Wall Street

This is oddly fascinating, even though I don't understand all of it. If I understand correctly:

A "short" is a bet that a stock price will fall: you promise to sell it on a certain date at a certain price, but you don't actually own the shares. On that day, the idea goes, you'll buy the shares at the lower price you expect and then turn around and fulfill your contract, pocketing the difference. I don't know if regular folks like you and me can do that, or if only investment funds and professional stock-market people can. There are some rules that are different for the big players and the little folks; I don't know if this is one of them.

So... some big Wall Street hedge funds (one often mentioned is Melvin Capital) placed vast quantities of shorts on a gaming-gear company that isn't doing well (GameStop). A bunch of people on Reddit observed this and said to Wall Street: hold my beer.

They bought the stock. Hundreds of thousands of people on Reddit bought the stock. At that scale, any individual participant doesn't have to buy a lot; you could play this game for $20 back when it started. And it's not like you can spend that $20 going out to a movie right now, so there was probably an untapped market of bored people looking for fun.

Did I mention that this subreddit bills itself as "like 4Chan for investers"? And did I mention that Elon Musk tweeted about it to his 42 million followers? That subreddit has way more than "hundreds of thousands" of subscribers now.

What happens when lots of shares of a stock start getting bought? The price goes up. The price for GameStop shot up from less than $20 to, at one point, $347. And I think it was higher; I was only able to find daily closing prices, and the hour-by-hour swings have reportedly been wild. There's some background information on CNet.

The stock price, of course, won't stay high. It's a ridiculous price for that company, and eventually the market will bring it back down. But in the meantime, those hedge funds holding shorts have lost billions of dollars -- remember, they still have to buy the stock on "short day", at whatever price is then current, and then sell it for $10 or whatever the bet was.

The Redditors and crew, meanwhile, have turned their sights to other stocks; Blackberry and AMC have been mentioned as other companies in trouble that investors have considered prime candidates for shorts. Stock exchanges and Robinhood have stopped trading at times or restricted purchases.

By the way, the people rallying against Wall Street have a song -- a sea shanty:

I don't know what a "tendieman" is (Google has been unhelpful), though I assume it has to do with tendering, in this case selling at the right time. Ryan Cohen is a major investor in GameStop who's recently been investing more and trying to change the company's business strategy, though I can't tell if he has an actual position there. (The song implies he's on the board.)

As far as I know, the people organizing on Reddit and wherever else aren't doing anything illegal. They're not insider traders with privileged information -- quite the opposite. They're just...massively trolling big investors who traditionally make a lot of money with these kinds of bets. Some of them seem to be in it for the laughs; some are trying to make money riding this (but a lot of them will probably lose money, including anybody who tries to join in now). The line between a movement and a mob can be fuzzy; I'm not sure which this is. I wonder what the other damages are going to be. They're pitching this as little people versus big investors, but will little people with modest retirement funds end up taking some of that damage in those funds too? Or are hedge funds more esoteric and not usually part of IRAs and suchlike?

Bizarre, fascinating, and unsettling.

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Re: It may have started that way

[personal profile] ng_moonmoth 2021-01-29 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not really protection as much as damage control. Sort of like jumping off a cliff and breaking one's ankles and a few ribs as opposed to being consumed by the fireball the car is going to become in a few seconds. And yeah, it's appalling.

I see that [personal profile] siderea has checked in with more detail below. As usual for that handle, all that information matches what I know, and is worthwhile.

I'm not exactly "regular folks", although your saying that is welcome confirmation that I managed to describe things as I had intended to. I am a veteran of a thirty-year tech career, mostly startups, where I got acquainted with many of the tools in play here and, in the course of my jobs, occasionally met with people who were considering investing in the companies I was working at, and got some understanding of how and why they used the tools they did. Some of which I have since (very) infrequently deployed on my own behalf for the reasons the tools were created in the first place.

As for "probably-less-informed decisions", I work to keep that as low as I can. Managing one's own money can be a means (I want to have enough money to do the things I want to do) or an end (I want to have ALL THE BENJAMINS). Money management as an end more resembles a game, which may well be what attracted the Redditors. (Right now, I'm viewing it as a boss fight with real money instead of game points at stake.) I have a natural inclination to want to learn the rules of the game before I sit down in it -- especially when there's money I want to do things with at stake.

In this case, the rules of the game the hedge funds are playing is that they risk a barely limited loss against a maximum possible gain in exchange for increasing the likelihood of the gain, and put that bet on a clock. None of which I am even remotely interested in doing. Plus, the name ("derivatives") that the tools at their disposal are categorized as resonates with one-time-math-major me, who is aware that derivatives (particularly the higner-order ones) of a function can range widely even when it doesn't appear that the underlying function is doing much. I'll stay clear of that game, thanks.