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Monica ([personal profile] cellio) wrote2021-12-20 10:37 pm
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another downstream cost of the pandemic

Well, not the pandemic itself, but the way people are responding to it.

Forwarded through some intermediaries from Reddit, one long-time doctor's explanation for leaving the field:

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We can tell, almost without fail, which ones will die when they come through the door of the ICU, but we do everything in our power to keep them alive - BIPAP, ECMO, ventilator - knowing we are stretching out the inevitable. We use paralytics with ECMO and ventilators, then ease them off to see if they can function. And as the drugs wane, the look of terror emerges, the tears. We try to calm them, to swallow our desire to scream at them: This is your fault! This didn't have to happen! Often, their spouse or their uncle or neighbor is nearby, dying along with them. And we work hard for those rare cases where we can pull them back from the edge.

I could deal with all of that. What I can no longer handle is the screaming, not from the patients, but from the families. [...]

He begged me to bring in his family. A nurse called them, because they had never come to the hospital. They refused to wear masks, and so would not be admitted. The nurse told the wife that her husband was likely dying, and was begging to see them. All she cared about was masks. She would only come if she and her daughters didn't have to wear any.

The nurse came to me and told me the wife wanted to speak to me. I got on the phone and she ordered me to cure him with ivermectin and vitamin C & D. I explained to her, those do not work, they have been extensively studied and the amount of ivermectin needed to treat even mild COVID would kill a human being. Once again, I was told I was ignorant. [...]

I stepped outside, went to the wife, and identified myself. I told her that I was sorry, that we had done everything we could, but her husband had passed a few minutes earlier. I did not manage to get the words of the sentence fully out of my mouth when I felt the fist strike my face and heard the screamed words "You murderer!" [...]

I started looking for a new job the next day. I will never treat a patient again.

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[personal profile] madfilkentist 2021-12-21 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
If I could find a set of coherent though mistaken opinions among these people, it would make a kind of sense. Choosing not to see a dying family member because they'd have to wear a mask? Assaulting the people who treat patients? Claiming medical expertise that exceeds the doctor's? It's almost as if they want people to die.
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[personal profile] goljerp 2021-12-21 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree, this boggles the mind.

No shirt, no shoes, no service. This is not a new thing. Even if these people won't wear a mask anywhere else, this is a hospital. And how [expletive deleted][1] hard is it to wear a mask for a short amount of time to see your family member in the hospital?

My mother recently died (not of Covid), and I am grateful for every visit that I had with her. I can't imagine refusing to visit because of a mask. (Actually, although she was at home, and I was fully immunized (as was she), I kept my mask on mostly, taking it off to kiss her goodbye.)

[1] There were a lot more expletives that I deleted in this paragraph, but it was overwhelming my comment.
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[personal profile] hudebnik 2021-12-21 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
People (including patients and sometimes visitors) have been wearing masks in hospitals for many years. Why would Covid cause them to stop doing so?

For that matter, people have been required to get certain vaccines in order to attend schools and summer camps for many years. Why would Covid be any different?

I have an anti-vaxxer cousin (the crunchy-granola kind, not the Trumpist kind), but at least she's consistent: her teenaged children have never gotten any vaccines, and have therefore never attended public school; I'm not sure what they'll do about college. She was livid when my mother and other relatives persuaded her 82-year-old mother to get vaccinated, finally, last month.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2021-12-21 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
This is utterly enraging and so UNNECESSARY. Augh.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2021-12-21 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Fortunately for your cousin's children, if/when they get away from their mother, doctors have been working on abbreviated immunization protocols for kids in their position. If I have a moment I'll try to find links.
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[personal profile] ellenmillion 2021-12-21 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I am so sad and weary about this all - I can only imagine what people in health care are going through.
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[personal profile] stitchwhich 2021-12-22 10:20 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. It underlines the failure of our "civilization".
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[personal profile] asher553 2021-12-23 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
This account is shocking and outrageous. I'd be interested to know where and when these events transpired.

I am as anti-mask and anti-(covid)-vax as anybody you're going to meet. I am a right-wing pro-Trumper, and I hang out with right-wing, pro-Trump, anti-maskers. And I cannot possibly picture myself or anybody I know being involved in a scene like this.

As several commenters have pointed out, *it makes no sense* to refuse PPE protocols in an environment where that's been the norm, and reasonably so, for many years. In fact, it sounds like the kind of story one might tell if one wanted to stoke outrage against anti-mask people; and judging from the comments, it's pretty clear that it has had that effect.

For those of us who are opposed to the mask mandates, there are much better ways to take a stand.

The folks at Free Oregon - some of whom I know personally - have been organizing polite, non-confrontational mask-free shopping trips in quiet defiance of Oregon's mask mandate. (I haven't been participating because the events are on Saturdays.) They report that they've been having great success and a very positive response.
https://www.freeoregon.us/

[personal profile] damont 2022-01-03 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
I hope they convict her of aggravated assault and battery, lock her up and THROW AWAY THE KEY. I am completely done with those assholes, and may the Lord have mercy on them because I won't; I have to save my limited supply for people who will actually accept it. (And along those lines, I would not cry if she was beaten to a pulp before law enforcement got there.)