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  <title>TIL: equinox, kind of</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Yesterday was the equinox, but I couldn&apos;t help noticing that sunrise was at 7:07AM and sunset was at 7:16PM.  That stretches the definition of &quot;equi&quot; a bit.  Looking ahead, the day won&apos;t be within a minute of 12 hours until September 25 or 26.  (One&apos;s a minute longer, one&apos;s a minute shorter.)  So off to Google I went.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are two things going on, it turns out.  The first is that the equinox is relative to the &lt;em&gt;center&lt;/em&gt; of the sun, but we count sunrise and sunset from when the top is visible.  But that only accounts for 2.5-3 minutes at my latitude.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The bigger factor is &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction&quot;&gt;atmospheric refraction&lt;/a&gt;: after the sun has actually set (all parts past the horizon), or the reverse in the morning, &lt;em&gt;you can still see the sun&lt;/em&gt;.  What?  Yeah, apparently you can look westward at sunset and see &quot;the sun&quot; even though the sun is not in your line of sight; light bends.  This effect varies with atmospheric conditions, but is usually good for about six extra minutes of day.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I said that I won&apos;t see a 12-hour day here for a few more days.  Apparently that effect gets stronger as you move toward the equator; &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/equinox-not-equal.html&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt; says at 5 degrees North that date isn&apos;t until &lt;em&gt;October 17&lt;/em&gt;.  It also says the day is never exactly 12 hours at the equator, when I thought the equator was the one place where you had reliable 12-hour days all year.  Today I learned.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder -- because I&apos;m the sort of person who wonders about stuff like this -- what the effect is in &lt;em&gt;halacha&lt;/em&gt;, Jewish law.  The day starts at sunset, but when beginning Shabbat we add some extra time just to be safe -- 18 minutes in most communities.  That&apos;s &lt;em&gt;l&apos;hatchila&lt;/em&gt;, what you should do from the outset, but &lt;em&gt;b&apos;dieved&lt;/em&gt;, after the fact, if you cut into the 18 minutes with your preparations, it&apos;s ok because it&apos;s not &lt;em&gt;actually&lt;/em&gt; sunset yet.  Except... maybe it is?  If you have a bad week and light candles two minutes before (nominal) sunset -- when you can &lt;em&gt;still see the sun in the sky, except it&apos;s not there&lt;/em&gt; -- have you kindled fire on Shabbat?  Or do you go by what you can see anyway?  I plan to ask this on Mi Yodeya if it&apos;s not already there, but first I have to finish Sukkot preparations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Update: &lt;a href=&quot;https://judaism.stackexchange.com/q/95665/472&quot;&gt;asked&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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