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  <title>Question: bar/bat/? mitzvah in modern times</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;I&apos;m asking about words, not observances or concepts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When a Jewish boy comes of age, he becomes obligated in the commandments, &lt;em&gt;bar mitzvah&lt;/em&gt;.  Usually the occasion is marked in the synagogue, which is also called a &lt;em&gt;bar mitzvah&lt;/em&gt;.  When a Jewish girl comes of age, she becomes obligated in the commandments, &lt;em&gt;bat mitzvah&lt;/em&gt;, and she might have a &lt;em&gt;bat mitzvah&lt;/em&gt; in the synagogue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These terms are from the talmud.  The word &lt;em&gt;bar&lt;/em&gt; literally means &quot;son of&quot; (in Aramaic).  The word &lt;em&gt;bat&lt;/em&gt; literally means &quot;daughter of&quot;.  One might also see the term &lt;em&gt;b&apos;nei mitzvah&lt;/em&gt;, which is plural, when more than one person is marking the occasion in the same service.  The word &lt;em&gt;b&apos;nei&lt;/em&gt; is unambiguously plural in Hebrew, unlike the sometimes-numerically-ambiguous &quot;they&quot; in English.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hebrew is a gendered language; there is no neuter term like &quot;child&quot; in English.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What term are people using for nonbinary or genderfluid people?  This &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; going to come up in my synagogue, and it must have already come up in others, but I don&apos;t know what they did.  I have some readers who might know: what are people using instead of &lt;em&gt;bar&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;bat&lt;/em&gt;?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While the talmud recognizes four genders, I don&apos;t think its conclusions about the other two are going to satisfy most modern people.&lt;/p&gt;
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  <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 01:31:14 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>debugging a toy</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;The detective work and presentation in the top answer to &lt;a href=&quot;https://english.stackexchange.com/q/395382/8816&quot;&gt;this question on English Language &amp;amp; Usage&lt;/a&gt; are quite impressive.  What &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; that picture of a word beginning with &quot;Y&quot; supposed to be?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://i.stack.imgur.com/EgKbPl.jpg&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I haven&apos;t read all the comments, but it appears there&apos;s a lot of forensics to be found therein, too.&lt;/p&gt;
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