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Siderea ([personal profile] siderea) wrote2024-03-21 02:29 am
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How do you like them apples [sci/bio/med]

God damn.

2023 Oct 3: bioRxiv (pre-print, scientific article not yet peer-reviewed): "A Drug-Free Pathogen Capture and Neutralizing Nasal Spray to Prevent Emerging Respiratory Infections" by John Joseph, Helna Mary Baby, et al. Emphasis mine:
Herein, we report a Pathogen Capture and Neutralizing Spray (PCANS) that overcomes the aforementioned limitations of previously developed chemoprophylactic nasal sprays, thereby achieving superior efficacy. [...] To ensure safety during daily or repeated use, PCANS was meticulously designed as a "drug-free" formulation, incorporating biopolymers surfactants, and alcohols that are listed in the inactive ingredient database (IID) or generally recognized as safe (GRAS) list of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and are present as excipients in commercially available nasal/topical formulations. These components and their unique concentrations were identified via a highly iterative approach aimed at maximizing sprayability, mucoadhesiveness, the capture of respiratory droplets, physical barrier property, pathogen neutralization activity, and nasal residence time. In vitro, PCANS demonstrated excellent physical barrier properties against multiple viruses and bacteria, and rapidly neutralized them, resulting in >99.99% reduction in the pathogen load. [...]

Overall, this extensive screening identified pectin [...] as the most effective [agent] for rapid neutralization of IAV [influenza A virus].

[.. ]

Altogether, our data on physical barrier property, spray pattern, mucosal retention, and neutralization indicate gellan, pectin, and BKC as the three critical components to formulate PCANS.
Yall. I can't even.

Pectin. Kills influenza A virus.

Pectin. Which comes from apples.
Discussion

We report a chemoprophylactic nasal spray, PCANS – a radically simple and scalable pre-exposure prophylaxis approach to offer protection against current and emerging respiratory pathogens. [...] PCANS embodies multiple advantages over previously developed chemoprophylactic nasal sprays. [...] Third, the "drug-free" nature of PCANS is favorable for the regulatory process, which could be tedious for chemoprophylactic approaches based on investigational new drugs such as IgM-14(62). Also, since all the components used in PCANS are commercially available off-the-shelf and require simple mixing without chemical modifications, our approach is amenable to scale-up and large-scale manufacturing.
1) Holy shit, they've come up with an antiviral nasal spray that's good for 8 hours, effective against a broad spectrum of viruses, from commercially available products, that you can make in your kitchen.

2) Okay, so, yes, it turns out an apple a day does in fact keep the doctor away. It's just that you have to shove it up your nose.
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Siderea ([personal profile] siderea) wrote2024-03-21 12:44 am
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Update, follow-up personal URI tx [me, health]

Previously, I wrote:
the fact is, I myself, if I get Covid – or any other upper respiratory illness – I absolutely will be using some such interventions. [...] I would feel bad if I didn't mention. I think you should have the choice to do so too, which is why I am explaining all this.
. Welp, here we are.

A week ago, I had an appointment at a hospital to get the aforementioned steroid epidural – literally the only time I left my house in the six days previous or two days following, and the only human contact besides my sweetie, who remains asymptomatic. Two days later, the area in the back of my nose around my adenoids started burning fiercely. This is how approximately 95% of my colds start. By the next morning, it was unambiguous that I had an upper respiratory infection coming on.

I'm not sure what it is. I don't think it's bacterial, because my snot ain't green; I don't think it's allergies because nothing I'm allergic to is blooming yet, and also my eyes aren't burning. I'm thinking it's probably viral. I have consistently tested negative for Covid, but false negatives are a thing, especially with the current wave, and also extra specially for what I've been up to treating this thing, whatever it is.

Because, as I mentioned I would, I'm doing something to try and drive down my viral load.

Knowing that I had an appointment coming up at a hospital and that I was going to have to take my mask off at least briefly while I was there, I had bought a bottle of Covixyl.

Covixyl is an OTC nasal spray, which is marketed as a way to prevent infection by airborne viruses. Its active ingredient is ethyl lauroyl arginate HCl, often rendered "ELA" or "ELAH". ELA has two mechanisms of action against infection by airborne viruses. The basis of their advertising is that apparently it provides a protective coating of your nasal mucous membranes, such that viruses can't bind to the cells. ("Covixyl® creates a physical barrier in the nasopharynx which prevents airborne respiratory viruses from attaching to the cell walls".)

But the reason they can sell it to you to spray up your nose is that ELA is already known and acceptable to the FDA. It's considered "GRAS": Generally Recognized As Safe. It's used as a preservative in food. If you're an American, you've probably already eaten a whole big bunch of it across your lifespan. (Dunno about elsewhere.)

And the way it works as a preservative is by just straight up being a viricide and an antibiotic. It's not just a barrier: it kills viruses by just dismantling them on the petri dish.

Now, clearly, it failed to prevent me catching an upper respiratory infection, if indeed that is what I have, because I did indeed squirt it up my nose before going to the hospital.

But, hey (I figured) if it's a GRAS viricide... it should also work to treat an infection, because of the aforementioned dose-response relationship.

So I applied more Covixyl to the inside of my face. In about a minute, possibly less, the burning irritation in the back of my nose was gone. Covixyl itself is a little bit irritating, but I find that passes in just a couple of moments; I figured I was running the risk it might actually make the burning in the back of my nose worse. It was rather striking how it did the opposite.
About six hours later the irritation in the back of my nose returned, so I hit it with Covixyl again, and again the sensation I associate with viral infection was gone in about a minute.

Now, over the first 24 hours from symptom onset, I was still beginning to develop some other cold symptoms: my nose started getting congested, and a smidge more moist, with a little post nasal drip. But I continued using Covixyl around the clock, roughly every 6 hours (including when I woke up to take more ibuprofen), and each time, my symptoms would lessen for about 5 or 6 hours. My overall sickness never progressed past that point of severity. I never really developed a runny nose, I never started sneezing, I never got so congested I couldn't breathe through my nose, my skin never got chapped, I never developed a cough, and I never developed any symptoms outside of my upper respiratory tract. I'm now about four days in, and all I have at this point is a very slightly congested nose; I've only felt like I am on the cusp of getting sick. This is, like, the least sick I've ever been when sick.

I don't know whether I can attribute this to the Covixyl, and even if so whether any beneficial effect is specific to Covixyl. For instance, it may be possible that any benefit I experienced was simply from the lavage of my nasal passages with a fluid. Maybe it would have been just as effective to use salt water. I did in fact buy a salt water rinse product, but it just arrived today and I haven't had a chance to actually use it.

But my impression is it has had much more of a positive effect then I would get with salt water – certainly I've never had such a dramatic effect from using a neti pot, which I've done when I've had colds – so I suspect the effect is due to the active ingredient. I definitely intend on continuing to use it, both as prophylaxis (in addition to an N95 or KN95) and as treatment of any apparently viral URIs I get.

Before using this product, I strongly recommend actually reading the ingredient list and making sure you're not allergic to any of the other things in it. Somebody didn't do that, and then posted very edifying pictures to the relevant Amazon page of what happens when you have a copper allergy and squirt a nasal spray that has a copper solution in it up your nose.

You can't see this for yourself because for some reason you can no longer buy Covixyl from Amazon, and the page is gone. You can still get it directly from the manufacturer or a bunch of other retailers that deliver. I'm guessing the vendor got fed up with Amazon for some reason.

So where I am with this is: reasonably enthusiastic about this product, but reserving my right to abruptly change my mind with further evidence and information.

P.S. I'm walking much better now, thanks to the epidural.
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Elizabeth Perry ([personal profile] watersword) wrote2024-03-20 11:02 am
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order in the court

I'm working on this year's Haggadah, and finding it difficult for a variety of reasons.

  1. I thought I'd try moving the core & supplementary texts into Scrivener and assembling them in a collection, and that was super frustrating. I think I'm pretty good at Scrivener, and I still think this is a conceptually good approach, it's kind of how I approach poetry submissions, but it did not feel like I had made my life easier either now nor in the future, so now I'm back in Word, which I object to on pure principle, but I might as well take advantage of Past Me's hard work in the Styles pane.
  2. I'm going to a friend's Seder this year instead of hosting, and I promised to send her a draft ahead of time so we can make sure it works for her and this is giving me weird performance anxiety.
  3. I have so much poetry I could include and I can't decide what to cut even though I suspect that S.'s other guests will not be thrilled by the non-traditional content.

    a. Some of the poetry, e.g., Marge Piercy's "The Cup of Eliyahu", is longer than I actually want, especially that late in the Haggadah, but how do I excerpt??? See also Primo Levi's "Passover".

  4. the real problem, cn middle east )
  5. Also I'm sick of Garamond but every other typeface is worse.
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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2024-03-20 09:19 am

Oh thank goodness movement speed has updated

As has automate. Still waiting on harvest with scythe and my beloved casual life mods, but seriously, I have a need for speed and this game is nigh unplayable now at that slow pace.
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shewhomust ([personal profile] shewhomust) wrote2024-03-20 05:23 pm
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Home again

[personal profile] durham_rambler came home from hospital yesterday afternoon, with a bag of new medication and the promise of follow-up appointments in three months time. He has just now taken a phone call from the Community Nurse, and made an appointment with her a couple of days after Easter.

I was there for his discharge interview with the doctor: the instruction is to do what he feels up to, but to bear in mind that he may not have as much energy as he is used to. Asked about driving, the doctor delighted us both by saying, "well, don't try to drive all the way to Wick in one day," to which we replied in chorus that we wouldn't do that, we'd always stop over in Tain ... In fact I have for some time been pushing to schedule trips with more stops and shorter drives, so I'd file this advice under silver linings. Certainly, he seemed entirely happy about our planned holiday in Cumbria and Scotland in mid-April.

And when I asked about tonight's pub quiz, he just wished us luck. In fact, since we were both nodding off at nine last night, we will give it another week. Besides, I have developed a streaming cold.

For both of us, therefore, it's one day at a time and steady as she goes.
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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2024-03-19 10:02 pm

My first thoughts:

1. Holy crap, I forgot how slow I walk without the correct mods updated!
2. I also forgot how everybody looks without DSV.
3. Also, is it mod interference that's keeping forage from spawning or a natural bug? Oh, man, I do not want to figure this out on my own.

Only on day one, I will likely have more thoughts later, things that might be spoilers.
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kyleri ([personal profile] kyleri) wrote2024-03-19 05:54 pm

cats: it’s only ALMOST spring

2024 01 31 09.25.09

[ Loiosh, an orange tabby, is curled up on the warmy spot; Major Tom, a big grey tabby, is sitting next to him. Both have their eyes half-closed, and are looking rather sleepy. ]

It’s napping cats pictures season, so here’s some pictures of napping cats.

Loiosh has been ESPECIALLY photogenic lately.

2024 03 04 15.04.30

[ Loiosh is curled up at the front corner of the cat bed, tail draped leisurely over the edge, one forepaw with claws dug into the pretty knitted fabric that covers the heating pad. All of his other paws are gathered up against his belly, and his eyes are mostly closed. ]

It’s dark enough in that corner that I need to turn on the light to get decent pictures, even during the day. Loiosh isn’t always thrilled with this.

2024 03 04 16.07.49

[ Loiosh is in the same spot, but meatloafed up, with a cranky look on his face. ]

Some days, though, I manage it just fine.

2024 03 05 08.30.42

[ Loiosh is sleeping with his chin resting on my hand; his tail is curled up between the camera and his eyes, but his freckled nose is visible. ]

Anyway I’m really glad the boys are, occasionally, willing to share the warmy spot.

2024 03 03 11.47.03

[ Both boys are meatloafed. Tom has his eyes open, but doesn’t look very awake. Loiosh has meatloafed his front half almost off of the warmy spot entirely, with his head hanging over the edge. ]

Alas, there’s still more slapfights than snuggles.


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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2024-03-19 07:24 pm

A word to the wise:

If you do not have the time to handle an adult cat or dog with behavioral issues then you do not have time for a kitten or puppy. How do you think behavioral issues even start?
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fauxklore ([personal profile] fauxklore) wrote2024-03-19 06:18 pm
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RootsTech 2024

From 29 February through 2 March, I was at RootsTech, which is a huge annual genealogy convention. It’s hard to tell how many people participate because they sell millions of tickets for the on-line event, which I’ve done the past couple of years. The problem with going on-line is that there is so much stuff that it’s hard to decide which presentations are worth watching, but there are also all the distractions of home, so I end up not watching a lot. Buying an in-person ticket includes access to all of the on-line presentations for an entire year. There’s also a huge exhibit hall, with all of the major genealogy companies (and many I’d never heard of) contributing. And there were a couple of hundred in-person presentations to attend.

Anyway, I flew in the day before (Wednesday) and my flight to Salt Lake City (via Los Angeles) went smoothly enough, though my arrival gate and departing gate were pretty much as far apart as any two United gates at LAX could be. United uses Terminal B at SLC and, to get out of the airport, you have to walk half the length of that terminal, walk through a half mile long tunnel, and then walk much of the length of terminal A. The signage to get to TRAX (the SLC light rail system) wasn’t great, but I found where I needed to go and was quite pleased to learn that the system was free for people attending RootsTech. It was also a bit of a hike to my hotel from the nearest station. In short, it was going to prove easy to get plenty of steps in during the convention. For what it’s worth, I stayed at the Residence Inn, which was okay, though the bed was too soft, so my back was aching after a couple of days. There are several hotels closer to the convention center, by the way. If I went again, I might consider one of the hotels right across the street.

There were three or four classes I was interested in during every time slot of the event. I marked all of them on my schedule and chose during the time between the sessions. I also spent time visiting the exhibit hall, but won’t really discuss that since I didn’t take notes there. But I will note that several (all?) of the major companies did have mini-seminars about using their products. And I did learn about a few products that could be useful, e.g. some of the archiving materials.

The first session I went to on Thursday was The Quest for Hidden Ancestors - Genealogy Tips from Nancy Drew by Ellen Kowitt. This wasn’t really focused on things I didn’t already know, but I like Nancy Drew and I’ve found Ellen to be an entertaining speaker before. Basically, she pulled out examples from the Nancy Drew novels that are relevant to genealogy research and listed plenty of resources. And that did include a few I had not been aware of previously, e.g. interment.net for burial records and Deep L for translation. She also had a particularly good list of resources for historical maps. Entertaining and informative was a good way to start the day.

The next session I went to was What’s the History in Your Family History? by Rachel and Matt Trotter. This was described as adding historical context to your family history and covered sources like oral histories, oral traditions, diaries, and timelines. While there were a couple of example, It wasn’t really what I was looking for, since it was largely U.S. focused and somewhat more recent history for the most part.

The hottest subject in genealogy these days seems to be artificial intelligence, so (after a mediocre and overpriced lunch in the exhibit hall), I went to a session on Using AI Tools to Expand Your Research Universe Part 1: Chat and Search Tools. by James Tanner. He described the goal as to help organize, analyze, and get insight from data to solve novel problems. He listed several subfields of AI, including cognitive computing, computer vision, machine learning, neural networks, deep learning, natural language processing, fuzzy logic, expert systems, and robotics. He also talked about practical uses of AI, including detecting illegal activity, business apps (e.g. digital personal assistants), generative AI, and data processing. He noted that large language models are what has changed recently and mentioned a few general purpose products, e.g. Microsoft Copilot. I found his talk way too general and would have liked some actual examples of using AI in genealogy. I had considered going to one or more of the talks in his series of presentations, but decided that they were unlikely to be worth my time based on this one.

The next top talk I went to was History, Family History, and Families From the Global to the Personal by Dr. Wanda Wyporska. Her main point was that genealogists are historians. She talked about geography as a genealogist’s worst friend, primarily in the context of forced and voluntary migrations. Her ethnicity is a mixture of Eastern European and Caribbean, which led to an interesting twist on this. The main point was that people connect with communities in various ways. Unfortunately, most of the discussion was centered on race, which is not of much interest to me. So, while her talk was reasonably interesting, I didn’t find much of it of any practical relevance.

The last talk I went to on Thursday was Squeezing all the Info Out of Your Matches by Kate Penny Howard. This was a fairly basic presentation on DNA and was focused on finding the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) with a match. She talked about things like searching across as many platforms as possible ad then building out descendants of the MRCA. She also recommended using DNA Painter. Since her major emphasis was on things like looking for who an unknown parent is (either because of adoption or unexpected DNA results), I didn’t find this particularly relevant.

Overall, I thought that only one of the five talks I went to on Thursday was notable. Fortunately, I had somewhat better success with finding useful sessions the next two days.

The first talk I went to on Friday was Researching the Canadian Census and Early Census Substitutes by David Allen Lambert. Most of this was a review of what information censuses (some federal, some by province) contained in each year. For example, the 1901 census included complete birth date (not just year), year of immigration, and year of naturalization. He also listed where each census can be found, including Family Search, Ancestry, and Library and Archives Canada. The most recent one on Ancestry is 1931. This is useful for me, because of a great-uncle who I know went to Canada (and, later, entered the U.S. via Buffalo. There is a note on another immigration record (for someone who is almost certainly another member of that part of my family) involving an inquiry in Toronto. So, it looks like it may be possible to get more insight into that situation.

The next talk I went to was The High Five - Key Documents for Successful Records Retrieval at NARA by Cecilia McFadden. She talked about record locations and finding record set numbers. But I wish she had traced through some actual examples in detail, as I got rather lost in some other dry information.

One of the highlights of the conference was What’s New and Exciting at My Heritage by Gilad Japhet. He started out with an example of artifact DNA. In particular, he was able to have DNA extracted from stamps, which led to finding half siblings of his great-grandfather. I thought this was completely mind-blowing. Of course, it’s not yet ready for commercialization and is probably too expensive for people who aren’t the CEO of a genealogy company, but the potential is amazing. I definitely have postcards with stamps I assume were licked by my grand-mother and I probably have envelopes sealed by various other deceased ancestors.

He also talked about recent (AI-based) features that have been added to My Heritage. Photo Dater, which estimates when historical photos were taken, looks likely to be useful. AI Biographer, which converts facts into a narrative holds no interest for me, since I know how to write, but at least it includes sources. There’s also an AI Record Finder, which uses an AI chat to search historical records. I think that is probably most useful for beginners. OldNews.com is focused on historical newspapers. Unfortunately, it only covers eight countries initially and, other than the U.S. (and possibly Canada) has limited utility for me. There were several other things he mentioned, which were of less interest to me, but it was a very good presentation.

My most disappointing talk of the day was Why Should I Map My Chromosomes by Tim Janzen. The goal is to determine which portion of your DNA comes from which ancestor. It really only works for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cousins. And, more importantly for Ashkenazi Jews like me, endogamy is a problem. Aside from that, his presentation was hard to follow because he did things like referring to the 4th column in a dense chart on a slide, but really meant what was actually, say, the 8th column. Overall, this was pretty much useless for me.

The last talk I went to on Friday was Are You an Ethical Genealogist? by Dr, Penny Walters. This was interesting, but I’d have preferred a panel discussion to a lecture. She mostly focused on situations with genuine reasons pointing to two different sets of actions. For example, approximately 12% of DNA tests result in someone finding an NPE (which stands for either “not parent expected” or “non-parental event” depending on which you prefer.) An adoptee can obviously have good reasons for trying to find a birth parent, e.g. understanding their medical history, but there is also potential to hurt a parent who raised them who may not have known of the situation. There are also cases involving an individual vs. their community, truth vs. loyalty, individuals vs. the community, and justice vs. virtue. Any decision you make about privacy and confidentiality vs. transparency has consequences. Each person has to decide for him or herself what information to disclose about their family tree. (Since there are a few people on my tree with readily findable criminal records, this is of direct interest to me. On the plus side, those people are easy to research.)


I started Saturday with a presentation by Jarrett Ross on Success With Jewish DNA: How to Overcome Issues with Endogamy. This was probably the single most immediately useful session I went to at the conference. He also talked about double cousins and 3/4 siblings, e.g. the result of marriage to a sibling of a deceased spouse. He noted that as you get further back, the differences between endogamy and non-endogamy are greater. More importantly, he had several practical suggestions re: dealing with DNA results in endogamous communities. I already knew some of what he suggested about what level of centimorgan matches to investigate. But he had other tips I hadn’t really thought of before. For example, you can try to build out the tree of a potential match to a specific level. He also suggested looking for connections to towns within 30 miles. Overall, I came away with actionable information, which is always a good thing.


The next presentation I went to was AI-Assisted Genealogy: The Family History of the Future by Daniel Horowitz (from My Heritage). Some of the uses of AI he discussed were language translation, market research, key word research, and customization. Applying those to genealogy tasks, he talked about tombstone translations, summarizing and extracting information from documents, transcribing handwritten records , extracting information from newspapers (including locating OCR text). Within MyHeritage, some tools include an AI Record Finder (which lets people find data without filling in a form), Photo Tagger (which looks useful, but he did warn of its addictive potential), He also talked about some other tools I can’t imagine any reason I’d want to use (e.g. one to turn yourself into a historical figure). Still, it’s good to know what’s out there, even if you want to use only some of it.

After that, I went to Research Planning for Efficiency and Accuracy by Mindy Taylor. Most of her focus was on setting up research logs, including citations. That’s the sort of thing I know in theory but don’t do well with in practice, as I have found myself repeating searches multiple times. Something as simple as noting the date a particular search was made could be very helpful, especially since new sources become available frequently. Er, yes, I do need to get organized.

The final presentation I went to was Working with WATO (What Are the Odds) by Leah Larkin. WATO is a tool from DNA Painter and is intended to help identify an unknown parent, grandparent, or great-grandparent. Anything further back is beyond the limits of autosomal DNA. That means it is fairly unlikely to be of any significant help for me, since I know who all my ancestors in that range are. In addition, it doesn’t work well with endogamy. There’s a newer tool called Banyan DNA which might be more useful, so that’s something to keep in the back of my mind.

It had started snowing in the late morning and I had a nasty slushy walk back to my hotel. In the morning, I got a Lyft to the airport. My flight was delayed first because it was overbooked and they needed to get some volunteers to switch flights. And then it was delayed further for de-icing. Fortunately, United held my connecting flight at DEN long enough for me to sprint to that gate and I made it home on time.

Overall, I thought the conference was reasonably valuable. I came home with a fair amount of stuff to follow up on. And, of course, there are lots of on-line sessions I should try to find some time to watch.
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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2024-03-19 04:35 pm

Defining "Woke"

Aaaaages ago, [personal profile] mountainkiss sent me the article "Woke" is a new ideology and its proponents should admit it. And I disagreed so strenuously with the "It's new!" part of the article that my grumpiness made her think that I thought the whole article was worthless. Which it is not. Because one of the things it does is try to define different aspects of the "Woke" movement, to make it clear what it is. At the time I told her that at some point I'd get around to writing up my opinions of the whole piece, and how it matched up with my experience/understanding.

And then I didn't get enough sleep for about a year, and did nothing with it. And then it came back up again in discussion, and I went and read it again, and had thoughts over lunchtime, and so here you are.

Note: My writing here is informal, and this was quickly written between dozens of other things I'm doing. I'm delighted to be told where I'm wrong about something factual, but please don't nitpick over technicalities.

Second note: I am well aware of the history of the term, and how it's changed over time. I'm predominantly thinking about the use between 2015 and 2019, as that's what the article I'm responding to was clearly doing.

Third note: Where the original section heading was written in a way that might be considered impenetrable I've put a quote underneath from that section to hopefully better explain what they meant.

1) "Woke" emphasises identitarian deference
Of course it is true that the views of women should carry more weight in debates over abortion, and of course people who experience racism should be part of any conversation about racism.

But what separates out the “woke” view from boring, normie liberalism is when an appeal to “lived experience” is seen as an ultimate trump card in a debate.
I do think you'll find some people who believe that it's a total trump card. But I think you'll find plenty of woke people who will agree that different members of a minority will have different opinions, different experiences, and different approaches, and that you can't just pull out one woman from your binder, get her to express an opinion, and declare victory in the argument of "What counts as sexist".

My verdict: Yes, amongst people who are recently converted, or very young, but I don't see that much of it.

2) “Woke” prioritises harm reduction over free speech
Absolutely. No doubt about it. But that shouldn't be a surprise, society has always had some limits on free speech, and when people see the long-term effect of letting people shout obscenities, or organise hatred against minorities, they may well decide that harm reduction is more important.

My verdict: It absolutely does, although how much it prioritises it will vary from person to person.

3) “Woke” is totalising
This is (obviously) a real thing that happens and an “intersectional” view can be a useful framework for understanding how different “vectors of oppression” can overlap and multiply the difficulties that people face. However, it also does something else: It makes politics totalising, and makes it harder for the ideologically “woke” to form broader political coalitions.
Yes, definitely. Part of it is realising that the goal is not to switch your favoured group from the oppressed side to the oppressor side, but to prevent oppression. If the feminists are happy to throw the working class under the bus to get what they want, the working class are happy to throw ethnic minorities under the bus to get what they want, and the ethnic minorities are happy to throw the women under the bus to get what they want, then the chances are that none of them are going to get what they want. This kind of thing was really really common in the 60s, with women being told that as soon as we had communism women wouldn't be oppressed (so please stop making a fuss and work on the Class War instead of pushing for Women's Lib). Either we all work out how to make things better for each other, and to spread empathy wider, supporting each other even when we won't personally gain from it, or we will all go to hell in the same handbasket.

My verdict: Absolutely, this is core to Wokery.

4) “Woke” is communitarian
Where “woke” ideology differs is that it pushes this equilibrium further towards a communitarian conception of rights. We can see this in terms of how identity characteristics are foregrounded, and the way in which adherents view their relationship to other humans in terms of group membership.
I think that there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. You don't get special rights because you're in a group. Wokery is about the right not be oppressed, and recognises that different groups are oppressed in different ways. It's the inverse of "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."

So identity groupings are treated as important, but largely in terms of how much sympathy/help people might need. The groups that are considered important from a wokeness point of view are considered important because they are groups that are viewed as targetted for oppression (or end up oppressed because of the design of society).

Is it important that someone is a trainspotter? Almost certainly not (Unless we're using that as a shortcut for "Is autistic", which we probably shouldn't). Is it important that someone is a lesbian? Absolutely, insofar as they may face increased difficulties in life because of it, and we should be aware of how the design of society affects them.

So, do lesbians get their rights from membership of The Lesbian Group? Or do they get extra attention purely to ensure that they get the same rights as everyone else? The woke would definitely say the latter.

Verdict: I would say absolutely not. I can see how people come to that conclusion, but I think it's a misreading of the situation.

5) “Woke” is sceptical of ‘progress’
Yes and no. I think that there is a general acceptance that things are less bad in many ways. But also that many, many people have been "left behind", that there are still many, many issues, and that the rising tide that lifts enough boats to prevent revolution, while leaving the worst off to drown is not a universally good thing. I think a certain amount of scepticism is a good thing, and you can definitely have that while being grateful that things are better than they were.

Verdict: Somewhat. You'll see more scepticism in the newly converted and people whose background means they've seen the worst of things.

6) “Woke” prioritises right-side norms over accuracy norms
For example, in a community of political activists or football fans, it may be more important to be on the “right side” of a debate: There is the risk of a social penalty that makes it much harder to concede that the other side made a good point, or the referee’s decision to award the other team a penalty was correct, because it will invite the ire of your friends and colleagues.
Absolutely, and this is a bad thing. Not everyone does it, it may well be that no more than the human average does it, but it is still bad. If you don't own your mistakes then you can't learn from them.

Verdict: Largely yes, with the proviso that I would *love* to know how much this happens across all of society, and whether Woke people are any worse/better than anyone else.

Overall
There is absolutely a chunk of truth in the article, and I think it makes a good starting point for discussion. Thinking about why it was wrong (where I thought it was) was a helpful exercise in itself.

I do think that the writer was living in a bubble (the way he refers to a liberal consensus makes that clear), and that affects the slant he puts on things. But I don't think he's deliberately mischaracterising things, and I think that seeing how Wokery looks from that side of things is interesting and useful.

I also think that there's an issue where the recent converts to a cause tend to be more black and white in their thinking about it and louder in their defense of it. Which means that the impression you get of a group is going to be coloured by their take on things.
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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2024-03-22 12:04 am

On the one hand, quesadillas are easy to cook and tasty

On the other, probably I shouldn't have that much cheese and sour cream in one sitting.

But they're so tasty guys!

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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote2024-03-18 11:30 pm

So apparently the update isn't midnight like I'd hoped but more like midday

so blech. Booooooo. I want my stardew now now now now now now.