evangelism

Sep. 18th, 2005 06:27 pm
cellio: (moon)
Apparently Pittsburgh now has an infestistation of "Jews for Jesus". They are going to every city with a large-enough Jewish population; I gather that they're doing a combination of street-corner evangelizing, hitting up high-school and college students, and going door to door. So far I haven't seen 'em, but I assume I will at some point. No, I do not feel threatened. :-)

The Jewish community has known their schedule for ages, and local congregations and other organizations have been having programs (many aimed at parents) to discuss related issues. In an ideal world, that wouldn't be necessary because people would already be educated enough to spot disinformation when it's pushed on them. Oh well. (I note that congregations from all movements have been doing this, including the ones with full-time schools.)

I do wonder how much of this is overkill, though, given that the strong message from the rabbinic council -- covering all movements -- is to just ignore them. Every "engagement" counts as a point for them, and they take those numbers back to their funders (mostly evangelical churchas, as I understand it) to get more money. My rabbi specifically said that he doesn't want to see any of our pictures in the paper arguing with these guys, and I will certainly comply with that. (Absent that, it would have been tempting to have our better-educated folks specifically engage them in long conversations, specifically to take those individuals out of circulation. But I certainly see the point that this wouldn't be worth it.)

It's also safe to assume that just as we have people on their mailing lists, they have people on ours -- so they certainly have evidence that the community has been organizing educational programs in advance of their coming. Doesn't that provide fodder for their funders, too? Pity I didn't think to ask that question a couple months ago, though I assume others have asked it too.

I do wonder why converting Jews is so important to them. If the numbers I've heard are anywhere near accurate, they are spending between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars per convert. Sure, I understand the idea of "my message is important and I must get it out to people", but how high does the cost have to rise before you rethink it? I don't get it, unless maybe they think that they can get a significant return on the investment from contributions from rich Jews who join them. That sounds iffy to me, though.

I should clarify that while I have quite a bit of contempt for this particular organization, I have no problem whatsoever with declared Christians. There is not a single universally-correct religion; I'm not hostile to those who follow the others. The problem with Jews for Jesus is that they're deceitful, pretending to be Judaism with just a few minor changes. They hold "Shabbat services" led by "rabbis" in "synagogues" where they read from "torah scrolls" -- and then, while they're at it, from gospels. If I were a Christian I think I'd be pretty offended that they think they have to disguise the religion in order to get people to join -- and, I gather, many Christians do feel that way about these guys.

cellio: (mandelbrot)
It's old news that some of the more evangelical Christian denominations are major sponsors of "messianic Judaism" [sic], or dressing up churches and Christianity with the symbols of Judaism in an effort to convert uneducated Jews to Christianity. I'm used to that from the Southern Baptists, but was surprised to hear that the Presbyterian church is now doing this. I don't know all that much about Presbyterians, but I've always perceived them as among the more liberal "live and let live" folks. Is the Philadelphia Inquirer on crack, or is this real?

It's well within the rights of any belief system to try to openly convert others to their point of view. I have no problems with that. If missionaries want to come to my door, that's fine -- so long as they take a polite "not interested" as the end of the conversation. (Or, alternatively, if they want to compare beliefs with the understanding that conversion is not on the table, I'll sometimes talk with them.) All of my encounters with Jehovah's Witnesses, and my recent encounter with Mormons, have been polite.

But pretending to be a Jewish congregation and then slipping communion, salvation through Jesus, and so on into the service is fraudulent, and the perpretrators ought to be ashamed of themselves. If I were a Christian, I would be outraged that they think the argument for Christianity is so weak that they have to disguise it in an effort to dupe people. Any belief that cannot stand up to scrutiny out in the light is not a belief worth holding. And I know that's not true for many of the Christians I know -- they have thought about this, studied it, and come to solid positions, which they can articulate, about why they are Christians. There is obviously something there for them that does not require cheap marketing stunts, and I respect them (while not following the same path). Fake synagogues, along with being offensive to Jews, are a major insult to serious Christians.

cellio: (moon)
I'm home. I feel refreshed (and a little tired). I'm fed (at a pleasant break-fast with congregants). The caffeine headache didn't start until fairly late and is now under control. Services were good, and my part went fine. The afternoon classes were a success. I have ideas for things I want to do to improve things next year.

Maybe I'll write more about all that later, but right now I have to share an encounter I had Sunday night. I was on my way to services when I saw, walking toward me, two men. They were in black suits with white shirts, at least one was wearing a black hat, and each was carrying a book in one hand. This fits an obvious profile, so as we got close I got ready to say "shana tova". Before I could, though, one of them said "good evening" and then said they were out talking to people about the Book of Mormon and had I heard of it? (At this point he held up the book for me to see.) I said I had heard of it and didn't have time to talk more because I was on my way to Yom Kippur services. (I was trying not to be rude.) They seemed like nice folks, so I dropped the additional clue that tonight was Yom Kippur and they were standing smack in the middle of Pittsburgh's largest Jewish neighborhood, so they probably wouldn't get a lot of takers that night. (There are more non-Jews than Jews in the neighborhood, but a higher-than-average proportion of those out walking that night would be on their way to Yom Kippur services.) They thanked me for the information and we parted ways.

This is actually the first time I've met Mormon missionaries. I know that they go door to door (though they haven't come to my door yet), but I didn't know they also stopped people in the street.

I got a chuckle out of their timing.
cellio: (moon)
I have a friend from high school with whom I get together from time to time. Lori and I have grown apart, but she still wants to keep this up so I go along. About 10 years ago we both worked downtown and did lunch weekly; now we get together once or twice a year. Lori used to be an evangelical Christian, to the point where I once told her that either she would stop trying to convert me or I would stop being willing to spend time with her (this was during the weekly-lunch days), and she took the hint. She's mellowed a lot since then.

She got married several years ago to Daniel, so since then the visits have included him -- and, now that I'm married, also Dani. She and Daniel are both committed Christians (specific denomination unknown to me -- they just say "Christian", and I haven't pressed it). Daniel seems like a nice person, though we don't know each other that well.

Last night we had them out for dinner, and Daniel and I got into an annoying argument about religion. (He started it.) I thought we were having one of those intellectual-style arguments where you're looking at facts and logic, but it became apparent that he was having an argument about faith and belief, and then wouldn't take hints that this was Not A Good Idea. Once I figured out what was going on I tried to change the subject and eventually just stopped responding, but even that did not get through to him. Eventually Lori told him to stop and Dani was able to redirect the conversation. I felt like a bad host, though I can't help feeling that I also had a bad guest. (I should clarify that I like Daniel, at the basic social level that we've achieved thus far. I was kind of surprised by this.)

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