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Dear SCOTUS,

Let me see if I have this right: A corporation that has a small number of shareholders, like a family, is a "person", and a corporate "person" can reject at least one legally-required expenditures it objects to on religious or moral grounds, and thus Hobby Lobby doesn't have to follow Obamacare's requirement to fund contraception. Got it.

A corporation, while maybe a "person", is clearly no more of a "person" than an actual, real live person, like me. There are legally-required expenditures that apply to me that I object to on religious or moral grounds too. So, dear SCOTUS, could you please clarify which of those I can opt out of? If Obamacare or contraception is somehow unique, please specify how. If you say that I can't opt out, why not? Surely you're not saying that, for example, Hobby Lobby has more rights as a person than I do?

(Quite aside from how you feel about any particular law, while it's a law it should apply equally -- or there should be a clear reason that cases aren't equivalent.)
cellio: (tulips)
Pesach has been going well. Tonight/tomorrow is the last day, which is a holiday like the first day was. Yesterday Rabbi Symons led a beit midrash on the "pour out your wrath" part of the haggadah; more about that later, but it led me to a new-to-me haggadah that so far I'm liking a lot. (I borrowed a copy after the beit midrash.) When I lead my own seder (two years from mow, I'm guessing?) the odds are good that it will be with this one.

Tangentially-related: a short discussion of overly-pediatric seders.

Same season, different religion: researchers have found that portion sizes in depictions of the last supper have been rising for a millennium, though I note the absence of an art historian on the research team.

Same season, no religion: I won't repeat most of the links that were circulating on April 1, but I haven't seen these new Java annotations around much. Probably only amusing to programmers, but very amusing to this one.

Not an April-fool's prank: [livejournal.com profile] xiphias is planning a response to the Tea Party rally on Boston Common on April 14: he's holding a tea party. You know, with fine china and actual tea and people wearing their Sunday (well, Wednesday) best. It sounds like fun.

Edit (almost forgot!): things I learned from British folk songs.

From [livejournal.com profile] nancylebov: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality looks like it'll be a good read. Or, as [livejournal.com profile] siderea put it, Richard Feynman goes to Hogwarts.

Real Live Preacher's account of a Quaker meeting.

Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] jducoeur for a pointer to this meta community over on Dreamwidth.

I remember reading a blog post somewhere about someone who rigged up a camera to find out what his cat did all day. Now someone is selling that. Tempting!

In case you're being too productive, let me help with this cute flash game (link from Dani).

cellio: (tulips)
Why, oh why, is tulip season so short? It feels like they just showed up not long ago, and now they're fading. Oh well... on to something else, I guess! (I think the lilac bush is next to bloom, but I'm not sure.)

This weekend Dani and I joined some friends for a last-minute gaming get-together. We played La Cita (my third time, I think), which split interestingly: the winner had 35 points (would have been 40 if he hadn't starved his people in the last round), another player and I had 32 and 33, and the other two were in the high teens. It didn't look like that in play. (I thought I was doing worse and those last two better.) Then we played Rum and Pirates and all clumped within a few points of each other (something like 62-70). I like both of these games and will happily play more.

A few weeks ago I ordered a used DVD set via Amazon Marketplace. (I decided to see what all the Heroes fuss is about.) I chose a seller who had only a handful of ratings, all positive, figuring that someone like that is motivated to give good service. (Also, I noticed that the DVD would ship from PA.) A few weeks passed with no DVDs, so I sent email a couple days ago. This morning the seller wrote back with profuse apologies; he (she?) had accidentally sent my order to someone else who'd ordered on the same day, but now had the set back in hand -- "so I'll drive it over this afternoon". It turns out the seller is in the greater-Pittsburgh area. As promised, the DVDs were waiting for me when I got home from work, so everything worked out just fine. (I never order anything from third-party sellers that I actually need in a hurry.)

Speaking of TV, the BBC might bring back Blake's 7 (link from [livejournal.com profile] caryabend). Woo hoo! I trust that this will eventually find its way to DVD and, thence, my TV. Since it's been more than a quarter-century, I do wonder what they'll do for casting. Of course, they could well do a "25 years later..." story, even though the final season left things on a cliffhanger.

(Anonymous) quote of the day, after interviewing a job candidate: "He has a lot of learning to do, and I don't want to pay the tuition".

This sign in a shop made me laugh.

Reusable printer paper looks like an interesting idea; I wonder if it can be developed economically. I'm surprised by the claims about what it costs to (1) manufacture and (2) recycle a piece of paper.

Quote of the day #2 brings some much-needed context to the flap over Obama's ex-minister. Excerpt (compiled by [livejournal.com profile] dglenn): "No one likes to hear someone, especially a preacher, criticize our good country. But Donna Potis [...] and so many others who decry presidential candidate Barack Obama for having attended the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church while he preached prophetically have very selective memories." The whole thing is worth a read; it's not long.

Somewhat relatedly, [livejournal.com profile] osewalrus pointed me to this post pointing out that all the candidates and the voters have a bigger religious-leader problem than this. Excerpt: "[I]f I wake up and find that I'm in an America where certain pastors and certain churches are openly denounced from the White House's presidential podium, I will suddenly get even more nervous about freedom of religion in America than I already am." Yes.

I found this speculative, alternate timeline of the last ten years by [livejournal.com profile] rjlippincott interesting.

Question for my Jewish (and Jewish-aware) readers: Thursday is Yom HaShoah (Holocaust rememberance day), so instead of my usual "daf bit" in the morning service, I'd like to do something on-theme. It has to be a teaching, something that would qualify as torah study, which rules out most of the readings that tend to show up in special services for the day. Any suggestions? I could probably find something in Lamentations, if that's not cliche, but I'm not really sure. And naturally, I do not wish to offend with a bad choice people who are old enough to remember.

cellio: (shira)
This article on mega-church worship style in synagogues discusses some happenings at the just-ended URJ biennial convention. If this is a new trend in Jewish worship, I can't say I'm impressed.

The mega-church influence was felt as well during Friday night prayers, where 6,000 worshipers gathered in a cavernous room on the convention center's ground floor for a choreographed production of sight and sound.

Multiple cameras projected the service on several enormous screens suspended over the hall. A live band buoyed a service that was conducted almost entirely in song.

Now I'm all for music in worship; anyone who's heard me talk about my congregation surely knows that. But I do not attend services seeking "a choreographed production of sight and sound". I attend services to pray in community. Both parts of that, "pray" and "community", are important. Is 6000 people community? I think that's at least 5500 too many for me to have that kind of connection, personally. Maybe I'm societally deficient.

From what I understand (and have caught occasional glimpses of on TV on Sunday mornings), mega-churches are theatre, first and foremost. They are performances, deemed successful if the audience cheers or claps along enthusiastically (and maybe gets up to dance). Can you reach God by making a joyous sound, singing a new song? Of course! Is that what happens in those services? I wonder. Sometimes, for some people, of course -- but is the format an aid or a roadblock?

I don't know. I can ride that sort of wave of spirit in my 30-person Shabbat minyan and in our 300-person monthly musical service. Is 300 different in principle from 3000 or 30,000? It feels like it is. I know almost all of the 30 people and a good proportion of the 300, which probably makes a difference, but that's not all of it. I've been to services where I didn't know anyone and yet felt connected. I think it's also that among 30 or even 300, I can still feel like I matter. Among 3000? Not so much -- at that point I'm just an anonymous face in the crowd, not part of the community. Any face will do to build a crowd, but community happens person to person, soul to soul. Being just a face in the crowd is no different from being alone -- I might as well stay home and pray with fewer distractions. But that's not what I want.


One specific idea originating in mega-churches has come up in discussions a number of times, and I find it particularly revolting: the notion that instead of handing out prayer books, you project the text, perhaps done up in Powerpoint, on big screens. Shoot me now. Quite aside from the issues of doing this on Shabbat (yeah, most Reform Jews don't care, but some of us do), quite aside from how mood-detracting this is, there is the fact that such a format is quite hostile to those of us with vision problems, precisely at a time when movement leaders are telling congregations we need to be more welcoming, friendly, and accessible. If your quest for techno-gimmicks and new, young, hip members comes at the expense of the committed congregants who are already there, what message does that send?


"If the mega-churches can do it, maybe it'll work for us," said one member of Temple Holy Blossom, a large Reform congregation in Toronto. "I'm open to anything. As long as Jews are praying, I'm happy."
The key phrase, treated here as a given, is "as long as Jews are praying". I hope that's what's happening in these kinds of worship services, but I'm not ready to assume it. I would like to hear from people who like this worship style. In what ways does it work for you? Are those benefits unique to this style of worship, or do you also get them through other styles (and if so, which)? What aspects of this worship style have made you struggle, and how have you overcome those difficulties?

cellio: (hubble-swirl)
[livejournal.com profile] dmnsqrl linked to this sermon from a UU minister about what theists and atheists can learn from each other. I found it an interesting read.

Excerpt:

Last year I heard this riddle: Why do so many UU’s go to divinity school? Because they can’t talk about God in church.

I think this is unfortunate, because theists and atheists experience life differently, and learn some very different lessons from their experiences. Probably any particular bit of wisdom can be learned on either path, but some bits are easier to learn on one path than the other. Which is why I think that theists and atheists could teach each other a lot if they could only sit and talk calmly. Today I hope to give that conversation a nudge by pointing out how much there is to gain and how to avoid some common dead ends.
cellio: (moon-shadow)
[livejournal.com profile] osewalrus posted an excellent essay on conflicts between religion and one's profession. He and I agree: you are completely free to practice your religion, but if doing so causes complications in your life, you -- not the rest of society -- need to deal with that.

short takes

Sep. 9th, 2005 07:13 pm
cellio: (mandelbrot)
The Underwater Railroad is up and running. (Ok, it's been up for a while, but updates are easier and thus more timely now.) Please pass this URL around to places where you think it'll do some good.

Martin Luther, Diet Coke, and Canned Soup is just one example of why I enjoy reading Real Live Preacher ([livejournal.com profile] preachermanfeed).

How to cook an egg with two cell phones (link from [livejournal.com profile] dvarin). If it's true, I'm not sure I wanted to know that. :-)

I realize that spammers believe they need to misspell in order to get past filters (and look, it worked!), but how many people are likely to bite on "fw: Deerges Baesd On Yuor Kgwonlee"? My "kgwonlee" includes basic spelling.

cellio: (mars)
A random observation while leaving Pennsic: many drivers appear not to understand the basic etiquette of simultaneous left turns. Suppose you're at a four-way intersection (sans signal) trying to make a left turn, and the guy on the cross street to your left is also trying to make a left turn. If you let him go first, he will block oncoming traffic for you and you can slip your turn in behind his; meanwhile you are blocking oncoming traffic from his right in your lane so that he only has to worry about that oncoming traffic coming toward you. You both win. If, instead, you rush through the intersection ahead of him, you get your turn and he's out of luck because of the traffic behind you. Why don't more drivers understand this? It took me more than five minutes to make the left turn out of Cooper's Lake onto Rt. 422 (a 55-mile-per-hour road) during which time three drivers screwed this up.

Amazon is now starting to sell short electronic texts (2-10k words) for order of 50 cents a pop (though I can't now find that price info on their site, so I don't remember why I know this). It's called Amazon shorts. I gather that they're mainly targeting established authors (short stories? essays?), but it sounds like they'll consider anyone. I find myself wondering if there is a class of content that I could provide that people would pay fractions of dollars for. (I don't know how much of that 50 cents the author gets, mind.) It's probably not worth the hassle for a new author unless you're working toward a book and want to build some buzz, but even so I find the idea interesting. (I probably got this link from [livejournal.com profile] tangerinpenguin.)

St. Augustine on intelligent design (from [livejournal.com profile] siderea).

Rob at Unspace has an interesting entry on faith that rings true for me. "So, I live sort of an inverse of Pascal's famous wager. But if I am wrong, and there is no God, I won't have many regrets. My life has been better because I believe in Him."

cellio: (moon-shadow)
[livejournal.com profile] siderea is right; anyone interested in group dynamics and/or religious communities should read Why Strict Churches Are Strong. As I become more involved in synagogue leadership these are certainly issues to pay attention to.

And it could apply just as well to other organizations, too -- I've heard [livejournal.com profile] siderea and others say many of the same things in SCA contexts, for example.
cellio: (hubble-swirl)
A moving essay of faith and death and clerical calling: Nunc Dimittis. Thanks to Real Live Preacher ([livejournal.com profile] preachermanfeed) for pointing it out.

On a lighter note... Zomick's egg challah is way better than anything I've found in stores here. [livejournal.com profile] estherchaya gave me a couple loaves when we were down there this spring. Yummy! I don't think a mail-order subscription is feasible, but ...pause... yes! There are places on the net where I can order it occasionally! Kosher.com to the rescue (though their prices seem high).

short takes

Apr. 1st, 2005 12:38 pm
cellio: (moon-shadow)
I'm reading torah tomorrow, and my portion starts in the middle of a paragraph. Finding the beginning is usually a challenge in that case (remember: no punctuation), so I asked if I could look at it after minyan last night so I wouldn't be fumbling with it at the last minute. My portion begins a new column -- first word of the column is my first word. From a navigational perspective it doesn't get much easier than that!

[livejournal.com profile] velveteenrabbi wrote an interesting article, Blog is my Copilot: The Rise of Religion Online. (It's fairly short.) I had not previously heard the term "godblog".

This morning I found myself behind a police car that made several turns without signalling. While it's naive, I prefer law-abiding behavior from those who enforce the law.

A woman who had a baby at a gas station was driving herself to the hospital immediately after when the police stopped her. The part that got my attention was that after they cleared up the traffic stop, "Officers sent Coleman on and let the hospital know she was coming". Um, isn't this the point where many officers would have offered to drive her there? *boggle*

April Fool's comment from [livejournal.com profile] mortuus: "may your pranks be merry and may your victims not sue". Ah, life in America. :-)

I was reminded recently of some LISP limericks that I saw, by either Guy Steele or Scott Fahlman I think, in the early 80s. They were limericks in code, though some creativity in reading them was called for. This was long before I had a personal hard drive on which to lose such stuff, and Google isn't turning them up for me. Does this ring any bells with anyone else?

cellio: (star)
This afternoon I was reading the dead-tree edition of Moment magazine and came across an excellent article on how anti-abortion laws conflict with halacha. They only seem to have the first few paragraphs on their web site, alas. (They sometimes have full articles. Maybe there's a time lag.)

To summarize, Jewish law does not hold (as much of Christianity appears to) tha life begins at conception; rather, human life begins at birth. (Specifically at crowning, as I recall.) The torah covers causing the death of a fetus; it's a property crime. Killing a person, of course, is not. So abortion is permitted under Jewish law. Not desirable, but permitted.

Now here's where the halachic problem with the agenda of the far right comes in: under Jewish law, there are cases where abortion is mandatory. It is unambiguous that this is required to save the life of the mother; the rabbi generally agree that it is also required to preserve the health of the mother.

Most pro-choice folks (certainly myself included) argue on the grounds of individual liberty, but the author of this article points out that as Jews we should be considering the halachic issue, too. The rest of this entry is me talking, not the author.

If Bush gets his way (through legislation or by stacking the Supreme Court), we could end up in a situation where national law forbids the correct practice of our religion, specifically as regards to how we treat other people. I've been trying to think of an analogy for Christians (staying away from murder because it's emotional), and the closest I can come up with is: suppose the government required you to bear false witness against your neighbor, with the result that he would be criminally or economically ruined. (And if you think that can't happen...) That's a violation of one of the ten commandments. Would you be outraged? Would you heed that law? Requiring the Jewish community to stand by while an actual life is ruined in favor of a fetus is kind of like that. A Jew who does that violates laws (both between man and man, and betweeen man and God) that we take every bit as seriously as Christians take their laws that say life begins at conception. But Christians do not sin if they fail to prevent an abortion; we do in some cases if we fail to perform one.

If religion has no bearing on government, then the anti-abortion lobby has to rework its arguments. If religion does have bearing on government, then all religions must be considered, not just the one most popular with lawmakers. Some of the founders of the country may have been Christian (many were Deists), but this is not a Christian nation. Not then and certainly not now.

cellio: (caffeine)
What's wrong with this statement? "The Pentagon and the CIA have asked the White House to decide on a more permanent approach for potentially lifetime detentions, including for hundreds of people now in military and CIA custody whom the government does not have enough evidence to charge in courts." (story)

A story about reports of missing Americans in south-east Asia offers this gem: "Some callers were unclear on geography as well, reporting missing Americans in China, South Africa and even Vermont." Vermont?! From people who haven't noticed that New Hampshire is still there?

Some parents in Orange County are upset because a Catholic school allowed children of a gay couple to enroll. They are arguing that this violates church teachings. The school has so far refused to budge. It seems to me that, quite apart from any issues of gay rights or open-mindedness, the parents have it all wrong; educating those kids is precisely within church teachings. Shouldn't they be welcoming the opportunity to teach those kids their doctrine, rather than letting them go off to the Godless public schools? I thought a key component of Christianity was ministering to people who haven't yet accepted their message; here they have people they consider sinners delivering their kids up for education in the church, and they're turning down the opportunity. Sounds like a missed opportunity to me. (I am not endorsing this, merely observing.)

cellio: (moon-shadow)
The other day I was listening to some Salamone Rossi piece (don't remember which) and noticed the phrase "praised is God who [blah blah blah]" go by. Now, most of our blessings follow the formula "praised are you, God, who [blah blah blah]". I was struck by the third-person-ness in the music, as compared to the second-person-ness of our prayer. There's nothing wrong with the former -- different context and all that -- but it got me thinking about the latter.

We could acknowledge God in the third person; there are lots of things we can say about God without getting intimate, and in a lot of ways that's safer territory. But we don't do that (for the most part). God is transcendant and formal and so forth, but also immanent. We are not merely praying to a lofty being far beyond our comprehension; we are also, in some sense, speaking with someone close. And that requires that we speak with and to God, not just speak about God. And so instead of saying "baruch [God's name]" (praised is God) we say "baruch atah [God's name]" (praised are you, God). I like that.

I wonder if the other monotheistic religions -- or polytheistic ones that pray to specific entities, for that matter -- do this too. I don't remember enough Roman Catholic liturgy now to answer this question for that faith; I certainly remember it as being more distant and formal, but that impression could be wrong or could describe only parts of the liturgy. Or, perhaps, maybe Christianity sees Jesus as immanent while God [the father] is transcendant? That would be consistent with the idea that different aspects of the trinity have different natures; can anyone tell me if this guess is actually right?

cellio: (moon)
Why I am considering staying in the Methodist Church, written by a committed member of the church who is a target of their discrimination. (Link via [livejournal.com profile] kayre.)

Thomas Jefferson on church and state, posted by [livejournal.com profile] dglenn in honor of the national day of prayer.

For Pittsburghers: Panim el panim, a discussion/panel with my rabbi, someone from the Islamic Center, and an Episcopal reverend. May 15, 4pm.

Tomorrow night's Shabbat service is another musical one. This will be the third; I really liked the first two. It looks like we are going to do this after the summer, too; Tuesday night we held auditions for an in-house band. Got a dozen people, which is great! (I wasn't there, so I don't know what skill levels we're dealing with, but I know we've got some good musicians in the congregation. I decided I'm too busy right now.)

This summer there will be one Shabbat when both rabbis will be away (and the cantor will be two weeks past her due date, so if she's still pregnant she'll probably be grumpy). So the worship committee will lead that Friday's service. Usually when groups (committees, brotherhood, etc) lead services, someone in the office assigns parts and mails out annotated photocopies ("tell them to stand here", "read this in Hebrew", "read this responsively in English", etc). That kind of bugs me, so at last night's meeting of the worship committee I said: Look, we're the worship committee; if we can't just lead a service out of the siddur, there's something wrong. So if you want to participate in this service and you don't normally come on Friday nights, you should come a few times in the next two months. At the next meeting we're going to look at the siddur and assign parts. I expected at least a little griping, but got none. Yay.

cellio: (star)
I was reading Invisible Lines of Connection by Rabbi Lawrence Kushner this afternoon, where I came across this:

"To be forgiven, you must first learn how to forgive. Many of us waste years waiting to be forgiven. But since we have never offered forgiveness ourselves, we do not know how to recognize it when it is extended to us. To 'forgive' means not only to excuse someone for having committed an offense, but also to renounce anger and claims of resentment. Forgiving someone therefore means that you are willing to endure the risk that he will hurt you in exactly the same way again, but that you trust him not to."

Just some food for thought at the beginning of the month of Elul...
cellio: (moon)
Alabama isn't the only place with controversies over judicial monuments to the 10 commandments; there's a local case of this too. But ours doesn't weigh 2.5 tons; it's just a plaque and thus easy to miss in the political and media circus.

An article in yesterday's paper described what happened when a reporter stood near the courthouse and asked random people to list the commandments. The average hit rate was three. I do wonder, and the article didn't discuss this, how they handled different interpretations of this list. We don't all draw the lines in the same places. Jews and I think some Protestants say there's one commandment against coveting, for example, not two like the Roman Catholics say.

Quite aside from the legal and social issues surrounding these public displays, I find myself wondering where all the emphasis on these ten commandments really comes from. It's my impression that Christians focus on this a lot more than Jews do. Jews focus on the revelation at Sinai, of which this list is a part, but we have 613 commandments (and all the derivatives), so these ten aren't anything like a complete list. Yes, there are talmudic arguments that say that the 613 reduce to these ten, but some of the contortions are, um, challenging.

But Christians have more commandments than just these ten, too. After all, the ten commandments don't include anything that Jesus added, and at least "do unto others..." and "love your neighbor" are every bit as important as honoring parents.

So do we all just like neat, tidy lists with nice round numbers, or what? Why have these few verses been pulled out of scripture and given elevated importance?

Aside: At Shavuot we read the revelation at Sinai. In some congregations it's customary to stand for the ten commandments. In others, it is custom specifically not to stand for them, because that elevates them above the rest of the Torah.

the pledge

Jul. 2nd, 2002 11:10 pm
cellio: (moon)
I objected to the pledge of allegiance from a fairly early age. Or rather, I objected to being required to say it every day in school. I had problems with "under God", but more importantly to me at that time, I had problems making that kind of commitment. I remember asking how a 10-year-old could be expected to make such an open-ended promise. I got told to just do it.

Some teachers (and maybe my parents?) told me to just cover my heart with my hand and stand there silently. This was dishonest, though; I didn't think I should be giving the impression that I was saying it when I wasn't. But mostly that's what I did, because I wasn't aggressive enough to really push the matter. I valued my grades and I was told they would suffer if I made a big deal out of this.

So I don't really buy the argument that no one is forced to say it so it's not coercive. Of course it's coercive; many things done in the name of public education are. This doesn't mean it's automatically wrong; there are areas where I not only accept but expect coercion in school, such as to instill minimum standards for interpersonal interactions. But I think it's silly to say that the pledge isn't coercive when it often is.

I do object to this particular coercion, though. And beyond the general objection, I have a problem with "under God" being included in anything that's required (or nearly required). It's not just the pledge, either; I'm uncomfortable when being "sworn in" (I say "affirm") as a juror ("...so help you God"), and I was startled when I was asked to swear an oath ("...before Almighty God") when applying for a marriage license. All of these are inappropriate, and all of them are functionally if not technically coercive.

I am not an athiest. I believe in God. And the God I believe in shouldn't be trivialized in this way. The hordes of school children who say these words every day do not, for the most part, have any real understanding of what they're saying. If that's not taking God in vain, I don't know what is.

And it is not for the state to give some religious views precedence over others. This isn't a constitutional argument; that only restricts Congress. This is a moral, or perhaps ethical, objection. No one has a pipeline to The One Truth here; what is right for me is not right for you, and what is right for you is not right for me. This does not change if you get yourself appointed as school superintendant, or governor, or president. (In this case, you don't even have the weight of historic precedent; "under God" is a MacCarthyism, not original text, and I gather that the author of the original would be displeased if he were capable of rendering an opinion.)

From what I understand of the court ruling (not being a lawyer or scholar), the ruling is goofy in one way: they seem to have said that this particular text is forbidden in the abstract. Forbidding "under God" in an arbitrary piece of text is as offensive as requiring it; the problem, either way, is in how the text is used. The judge who said that there's a problem with the athiest's kid even hearing "under God" is way out in left field, assuming he hasn't been quoted out of context. What they should have done is to forbid schools and the government from requiring anyone to take this pledge as it is currently written, and left it at that.

One of these days maybe I'll get around to school prayer. :-)

cellio: (Monica-old)
Last Monday night I led a book review/discussion at Temple Sinai of Karen Armstrong's A History of God. (Billed as a review, but a discussion in practice.) I'll try to write up some more thorough notes or a review or something soon; I know some of you are waiting for this. The people who organize these book discussions had told me to expect it to go about an hour, so I went in trying to do the impossible and actually summarize 4000 years of how people view God in under 45 minutes. The first thing I did was to write a list of key points/ideas (time-ordered) on a board so we would at least be aware of how much there was to cover. I figured that, that done, if people wanted to linger in, say, the world of mysticism with the understanding that we'd then give the Enlightenment short shrift, well, that was ok too. I had read the book, after all, so I wouldn't be losing anything in that approach. So I told people to interrupt with questions or if they otherwise wanted, and they did. We had a good discussion that, unbeknownst to me at the time, dove-tailed nicely with a talk that Farooq Hussani, from the local Islamic center, had given the previous day. (I wasn't there, but some people in the room had been.)

I thought the discussion went ok but that I didn't have a good-enough handle on how to run such a thing, nor did I have a good-enough handle on the material. That is, I think I did a decent job of absorbing and summarizing the material in the book, but there are issues that the book didn't get into that are important, and I hadn't done any supplementary reading. (For example, the book talks about the Protestant reformation, but I know there was a lot more to it than what is described in the book, but I don't personally have a good understanding of some of those issues.)

The other people there seemed to think it went very well, and I've gotten some nice compliments since then. One person pointed out that it people weren't enjoying themselves they wouldn't have stayed for two hours. :-)

cellio: (moon)
I have a friend from high school with whom I get together from time to time. Lori and I have grown apart, but she still wants to keep this up so I go along. About 10 years ago we both worked downtown and did lunch weekly; now we get together once or twice a year. Lori used to be an evangelical Christian, to the point where I once told her that either she would stop trying to convert me or I would stop being willing to spend time with her (this was during the weekly-lunch days), and she took the hint. She's mellowed a lot since then.

She got married several years ago to Daniel, so since then the visits have included him -- and, now that I'm married, also Dani. She and Daniel are both committed Christians (specific denomination unknown to me -- they just say "Christian", and I haven't pressed it). Daniel seems like a nice person, though we don't know each other that well.

Last night we had them out for dinner, and Daniel and I got into an annoying argument about religion. (He started it.) I thought we were having one of those intellectual-style arguments where you're looking at facts and logic, but it became apparent that he was having an argument about faith and belief, and then wouldn't take hints that this was Not A Good Idea. Once I figured out what was going on I tried to change the subject and eventually just stopped responding, but even that did not get through to him. Eventually Lori told him to stop and Dani was able to redirect the conversation. I felt like a bad host, though I can't help feeling that I also had a bad guest. (I should clarify that I like Daniel, at the basic social level that we've achieved thus far. I was kind of surprised by this.)

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wedding

Oct. 27th, 2001 08:57 pm
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Today was Thaddeus' wedding. It had the feel of an SCA event; they wanted to do a "medieval" wedding and invited guests to come in garb, and they arranged for some very good SCA cooks to do the food. It was extremely tasty, even though the cooks had to contend with more dietary issues than normal. Thaddeus is allergic to wheat, and Dana is lactose-intolerant, as are some other members of her family. This made the cake especially challenging, but they pulled it off. (Rice flour, they said.) Johan told me I should go ahead and eat meat, as the dairy was sparse and well-segregated. It's been a long time since I've eaten meat at an SCA feast.

The wedding itself started off with an exchange of gifts and each of them having to satisfy witnesses that they were suitable partners. It was schtick, but fairly well done. They said this was based on medieval (or renaissance?) Polish customs. This then led to a fairly normal wedding (with the traditional vows except for "obey"). There was a very short mass done for the benefit of the couple only -- that is, the couple got communion but no one else did, and it took about 10 minutes. Apparently this, too, is in keeping with whatever they were modelling the ceremony on. Aside from some verbal responses in which I did not participate, there was no congregational involvement. (Not like Isabella's funeral a few years back where I got broad-sided by the "let's all take hands and sing to Jesus" thing that made me bolt from the room. That was embarrassing; fortunately, the family concluded that I was overcome with grief and didn't bother me about it.)

The priest was Father Klukas (Robert's priest), who is a very cool person. He has a tasteful sense of humor that he applied during the wedding. (Rabbi Gibson is the only other person I've heard pull that sort of thing off during services.) Father Klukas has a degree in medieval history (or maybe medieval liturature, I forget now) and is very friendly with the SCA. A couple of times when we've had events at his church, he has done a historical mass (strictly optional attendance) as part of the re-creation. Pretty neat. (He preceeded them with short lectures about the liturgy of the particular period he was doing, and produced good handouts. In other words, he was definitely in teacher mode more than priest mode, though of course he was doing real masses.)

The modern Episcopalian (sp?) mass is very similar to what I remember of the Roman Catholic mass. There are extra words at the end of the "our father" prayer (I think Protestants do those too), and I think there were some minor wording differences elsewhere (less significant). I couldn't see whether communion included wine.

I find that masses can be interesting from a liturgical-anthropological point of view, when I am comfortable being present. (I was today.) We all know that Christian liturgy was derived originally from Jewish liturgy; it's interesting (to me) to see what they kept, what they changed, and what they discarded. At one point today I remember thinking "hey, that's the Kedusha"; it was very close to the text we say, until it veered off to talk about the trinity. (Christians will know this as the "holy holy holy, all the earth is filled with God's glory" part, if I'm remembering the mass text correctly.) At the time I couldn't remember clearly what had led off this section, so I asked Father Klukas later whether this was modelled on the Amidah (the prayer set that includes Kedusha), or if that part was just a noticable borrowing. He said the latter. It's times like this when it would be really handy to have a copy of the generic Catholic or Episcopalian text to refer to.

I also got an answer to a minor question: the bells that get rung twice during that service are there to get the attention of people who are either lost in prayer or just not paying attention. This apparently isn't much of an issue now, but was when masses went on for much longer and in Latin. The two points are at "this is my body" and "this is my blood"; I wonder if that is the point where they are actually consecrated (and, if you believe in transubstantian, are altered). I guess it makes sense that you would want people to witness that rather than being lost in their own thoughts at the time.

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